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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2017年12月13日 at 2:31:46

Artist: U2
Title: Ningyou Saiban
Source: 東方Project
Tags: Akiyama Uni あきやまうに Doll Judgment Touhou LKs Scorpiour th7.5 cmx Tasofro Twilight Frontier 黄昏フロンティア zun Ningyou Saiban アリス·マーガトロイド alice margatroid
BPM: 197.25
Filesize: 4109kb
Play Time: 01:02
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Download: U2 - Ningyou Saiban
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th075 bgm 人形裁判
bg by me
timing by LKs
weird song, weird beats, weird doodle, weird map
U2 = Akiyama Uni
你们知道五拍子的曲子有多难找吗!!
special thx to Scorpiour
use custom diff name in top diff for Scorpiour's leading this map came out
removed Extra Sco diff because i eventually think this is not the song really should express, thou i think it's a really good map for playing, you can dl that for a try if you care. ——2015/12/24
for avoided the mapset style issue, added the extra ones back ——2016/02/23
get revived and pending at 2017/09/16
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sco大大是在我在做绯想天的时候就帮我看过图的,当时还木有感觉出来,但后来经各方面反映sco是个对mapping灰常严谨灰常认真的bat,找他要的mod可能会被挑刺,找他的话要做好足够充分的准备什么的噗。嘛,不管肿么说,在我还是个新人的时候确实给了我许多宝贵的意见,现在还记得呢!可惜俺走上了猎奇的不归路,不然可能俨然就是个规规矩矩的rank向麻婆了OVQ
这个图提到sco大大是因为有一天突然冒出了这么个想法:用高sv低ds和低sv高ds做张图试试,当时想到的就是这个图,加上节奏是五拍子,曲调也很诡异,非常适合做猎奇图。当时就被吐槽了并得到了一句“加油吧”然后过了大概半年多终于将想法付诸实践。
得到的结论是:高sv的一定会难,原因简单来说就是滑条和滚轮本身对读图的影响非常大(关于读图对玩家打图的影响我觉得有非常多的话可以说,什么时候可以整合一下w
由于当时是在群里搬着小板凳坐好,听sco讲mapping知识的时候偶尔冒出的点子,才造就了这个图,所以我决定将难度命名为Sco系列噗(咦应该木有问题吧OVQ,哎算了我还是别作死,就放一个好了OVQ
俺老是做猎奇图肯定不合乃的口味,但不管肿么说还是受教良多,多谢!!OVQ

------------我是华丽的分割线,上面的是2014年写的------------

哎,总之top diff柑橘还是不行啊,想了半天好像这种摆法并不是太适合这个曲子,不过当时这个确实做的有点极端,虽然在其他的图里已经尝试过类似的梗了。。。怎么说呢,算是一种开拓性质的尝试吧,以后应该能更好地把握这个度,总之对我来说这个图意义还是比较大的,毕竟让我分别知道了高速和低速滑条的运用究竟有哪些区别和要注意的地方,对于我做一些比较特殊的梗影响深远0.0.0
嘛,总之就是移出set了,但我会记住这张图的嗯OwO

------------我是华丽的分割线,上面的是2016年写的------------

是的,经过多次难产和概念上的调整之后,这图在2017年的今天终于可以显得不那么扎眼了。就像这图经历了3年才稍微可以被一些玩家所接受一样,我觉得我很久以前就已经确认并且实践过的东西,需要很长的时间才能被更多的人认可,让我觉得有点遗憾。这图所给出的概念和一些梗我也在今后的许许多多图中见到过,其实这图的概念也不是当时最新的,只不过我把它极端化了表现出来而已,如今看来还是有些成就感的。其实也希望我现在或者将来做的某些图能不经过那么久的难产期,在配合玩家和麻婆社区系统的前提下更快地把一些新的概念作为普遍的常识普及到各个领域,虽然现在距离这种理想化的状态还有一段遥不可及的距离,但总之,但就目前来看,以前所做的一切都没有白费。现在终于决定要把它给rank了,它是我为了表达对最初在作图方面给予我巨大帮助的8名mapper以感谢,从而制作的8张谱面之一。如今其他7张已经在2年前就都rank了,这最后一张也是我最难,方向指明最正确的一张图,同时也是送给关照了我2年之久的sco大大的图,希望你们能够喜欢。

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夜のアリスステージ曲です。 この曲は五拍子だったり途中で奇怪な音が入ってたり、キャラ性能同様色物要素満載です。 でも変にこねくり回したせいで、気が付いたら原曲のおいしい所が入っていませんでした。がっくり。 曲とは関係ないのですけれども、2Pカラーに対して個人的に間違った思い入れが。
Alice's night-time stage theme. This song has a five-beat rhythm and weird sounds stuck into it, so it ought to fit the character's performance pretty well. But because I tried to throw in so many unusual elements, eventually I noticed the parts that made the original song great were gone. Hmm. This has nothing to do with the music, but I don't think the 2P color is quite right.
爱丽丝的夜晚关卡曲。于是,这首曲子是五拍子的,在中途加入了奇怪的声音,和角色性能一样含有大量的色彩元素。但是因为在奇怪的地方强调过多的原因,回过神时,才发现在原曲的一些好地方没有加进内容,有点丧气。虽然和曲子没有关系,个人觉得2P颜色错了。
ps. 其实th075是很有意思的,比后两作要多出很多有趣的要素,另外拓展的mod也非常多,要不是th123打惯了实在是不想再去熟悉另一个系统,不然好好玩玩也不错啊噗

thx modding from
  • SuperContact
  • Kodora
  • 【CSGA】Ar3sgice
  • 384059043
  • 【Twinkle】
  • Hinsvar
  • Ethercastle
  • 【Seraphin】
  • Papcio
  • Reimoe
  • ffstar0716
  • ids
  • Mintong
  • Loli -【Koinuri】
  • - D a s z x
  • Jemmmmy
  • ritsu-tanaika
  • No_Gu
  • ZZHBOY
  • Autumn
  • ------revived new mapset------
  • Kencho
  • moonlightleaf
  • Chaoslitz
  • ceLy
  • DreaM117er
  • Kamio Misuzu
  • ------revived 2017------
  • Regou
  • Alphabet
  • Bubblun
  • PandaHero
  • Firis Mistlud
  • sahuang ------ bubbled
  • Mir ------ qualified

thx testing from
  • SuperContact:“打的让我觉得自己是白痴。”
  • Kanon:“之前都能S的,后面那个加速滑条一直死”
  • Kodora:“what the... lol, fun sliders”
  • GGBY:“这图... 真™可怕”
  • lmdsqx:“滑条好快 ..”
  • Lunatic:“好难!Lunatic良心多了”(ps. 姥爷良心多了,噗
  • KAKALOTE:“这是给人玩的么”
  • Zweib:“感觉不是很好玩”
  • Playing:“后面快速滑条的部分配合bg有点恐怖的氛围XD”
  • Ethercastle:“打爆star rating”
  • 【Twinkle】:“无敌了”
  • 3468990:“滑条天国orz,超超难”
  • 【Seraphin】: “this isn't impossible...”
  • Elinia:“感觉我现在的读图方式感觉还比较擅长打这种233,不过后面有几个reverse就不会玩了!!”
  • Yakumo Yukari:“QAQ我看不懂啊,滑条太难啦”
  • wcx19911123:“麻麻,太鸡巴了,这个比蛋疼马克思蛋疼多了”
  • Jemmmmy:“飞起,飞飞飞,滑条真的在飞”
  • ShallICompareThee::“妈蛋滑条”“可以fc感觉”“妈蛋滑条”
  • ------revived------
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这为何变U2了呀。。
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General
  • 这个stack没问题吧....

Normal

Dash Hard
  • 00:12:672 (3,4,5) - 感觉这里渐强(?)不体现一下么 (也可能是我没看懂吧
  • 00:25:853 (1,2) - 这里需不需要减下ds啊..感觉从滑条头来算都比其他地方要大一点

Hard

Insane

我估计写了这么点也没什么有用的 orz 饶命

诶 感觉早些时候就见过这图了啊... 这是删了开的新坑么

link:http://osu.ppy.sh/s/395781
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Easy
    00:38:325 - 這個"叮"加上去很帶感耶
    00:39:845 - 這裡可以加circle上去,仔細看後面好像都是跟同樣一組聲音的
  • 問題並沒有很多


Normal


Dash Hard
    00:54:142 (3) - 這個音是不是跟錯了,不是紅線上嗎00:53:990 -?? 還是跟前面一樣刪掉??
  • 其他沒什麼問題


Insane
    00:10:543 (3) - 我自己個人覺得這個不要跟前面間距這麼大比較好,才I而已就讓人措手不及不是很好的做法 (Lunatic也是一樣的想法,若難度再往上升一個階層我就不會多說什麼)


Lunatic


EXEX
    00:37:615 (6,7) - 後面這樣放坑我覺得沒差,這裡間距沒拉好奇怪啊


其實沒啥問題的,就你的圖法來看 :)
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hi m4m

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1.aimod里提示堆叠判定值太小,看你是否考虑提高一点
2.不太确定有些物件出界没有。主要写在Sco Gla难度里了,其他extra和Lunatic也有,建议还是把太靠下的稍微改改


Sco Gla
00:04:560 (1) - 貌似拖得有点长。00:04:662 - 这里结束可能好点。当然你想保持和前面相同的间距就另说了。感觉上缩短点更自然
00:07:602 (1) - ^
00:57:691 - 加个note?
00:05:169 (3) - 00:24:333 (1) - 00:54:953 (4,5) - 00:55:866 (1,2) - 00:56:474 (4) - 00:58:401 (1) - 建议上移一点,太靠下了都不确定出界没
kiai好难读啊


Extra
00:04:560 (1) - 同上
00:07:602 (1) - ^
00:35:182 (2) - 改成左侧凹的好打点,或者改直也行


Lunatic
00:58:401 (2) - wacap
00:35:486 (3,4) - 往上移

低难度没什么。毕竟也是短图。

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既然是2kd當然要先佔坑啊
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怎麼Insane~Top diff OD都是7啊? 兩個EX可以改成8吧

Sco
  • 00:01:113 (1) - 搬過去右邊一點,現在00:01:113 (1,2,1) - 的視覺距離不太一致不好看
    x:232 y:352
  • 00:13:889 (2,3,4) - 這樣放很容易誤讀吧,改成00:15:207 (1,2,3,4) - 這樣?
  • 00:14:903 (6) - 換成大弧度的彎滑條吧,能跟後面的梗對應也可以讓排列變好看一點
  • 另外比較主要的是,00:14:294 (4,5,6) - 這個部分的這種滑條的頭和尾之間的spacing並不一致,有些疊住了但有些沒疊住,從歌曲裡我好像倒也沒聽到為什麼要這麼擺,畢竟歌曲旋律變化不算太大,要不試著讓他擺的有規律一點?比方說把滑條的頭和尾都分開
  • 00:25:245 (5,6,7) - 現在看起來擺的太隨意了,讓(5)(6)和(7)的頭連成直線試試?
  • 01:01:732 (2) - 這裡沒有音吧
Extra
那開頭讓我看了好幾遍看看這個跟Sco是不是一個難度

Lunatic

Insane
這個開頭又讓我看了好幾遍看看是不是和Lunatic一個難度

Hard
Hard和Dash Hard意義不明啊,就這樣子寫的話難度上分的不太清楚吧?(雖然星數有標)
圖好像沒啥問題

Dash Hard
怎麼沒做開頭?
從設定來說這個比前面的Hard應該還要難吧,你要不試試把這個改難點讓他變成Hard~Insane之間的難度,整張圖的spread也會變得比較好
  • 00:15:410 (2) - 這個難度裡頭的長滑條好像有點意義不明?都沒有跟到音啊...這裡可能用[Hard]難度裡頭的處理方法會比較好

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Easy

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Hey, M4M

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Normal


  • 00:25:549 (3,1) - I think you could unstack for better readability and emphasis
  • 00:40:149 (2) - It's weird that you're ignoring the downbeat with the snapped brass with the slider when you seem to be focusing on that (There's the other ones if you agreed but I know this could be something you were trying to do)

Dash Hard



Hard


  • 00:12:064 (1,2) - Same as I said in Dash Hard
  • 00:31:633 (4) - You could show a bit of a visual difference between the timing of the stacks like you did in Dash Hard with the stack leniency
  • 00:59:313 (1,2,3) - Unstack these to emphasize the difference between the previous stack?

Insane



Lunatic



Extra



Sco Gla




Good luck ^^
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Updates to the criteria allow bg res up to 1920x1200, so if you still have the raw pic you can update it or use waifu2x to convert it to a higher res.


Sco Gla

00:11:454 (4,5) - It doesn't show it in aimod, but these 2 circles are unsnapped.

00:14:599 (5) - I think to better compliment the sounds mapped here you could drag this down so it shares an equal visual distance from 4 and 6.

00:32:850 (5) - Because there are no slider ticks, the player simply as to relax-aim to the slider tail to perfectly hit this note. In most parts it looks like you too that into consideration, however here is where it might pose a problem because the skill required to play the shape compared to cheesing it is very distinguishable. An easier way to put it is if the player knows how to cheese, 00:32:850 (5) - doesn't share the same intensity as 4 and 6, but are mapped to the same noise. I don't suggest increasing the tick rate because that would inaccurately add visual implications of sounds where they happen to spawn, so instead I suggest using a simple curved slider because assuming the player knows how to cheese sliders, they're still forced to follow it properly. https://puu.sh/xyWYV/1b3db8ff4e.jpg here I tried arranging it with this knowledge into place, but I don't completely understand your structure style so it looked kinda meh. Hopefully you understand where I'm getting at though


Extra

00:13:889 - Because of the flipped copy of Sco Gla before this part, It makes this section feel undermapped, and also makes the fact the intro's copied seem superficial, or fake. Because of that I suggest mapping the intro of this diff from scratch, unless you can lower the sv to the amount relative to the diff (Which would be around 0.8-1.0x) of the copied patterns while still maintaining their ideas.


Lunatic

00:12:672 (3,4,5,6) - I think you could make the spacing between each of these notes gradually increase, or at least comparably greater than 00:11:150 (3,4,5,6) - Because it's a reused idea for a new part of the song, I feel it'd be more interesting to compliment that with a variation of the previous pattern.


Insane

00:25:853 (1) - Because of the lack of overlapped patterns and a large use of linear patterns, I feel it made this note unexpected and harder to read. It was harder to anticipate this because it seemed like we were fixed on the idea of 'linear patterns and lack of overlaps' An easy fix would be to move 1 to x:200 y:370 as it creates a triangle shape with it's surrounding sliders (7-8) and is better anticipated.

00:32:546 (4,5,6) - LOLOLOL


Normal

00:25:549 (3,1) - Criteria states in normal you need the stack leniency high enough for 1/1 objects. That counts for sliders too. So you'll need to bump the leniency up.


Couldn't find much for the rest of the map. Really good set, and nice ideas. gl in pushing this.

Edit: What does 'Dash Hard' mean
Is it how fast I'm playing these sliders xddd
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1. 00:38:629 - you have two lines with different samplsets here (softs on redline and drums on green line) in all diffs except normal and easy. Also red line have no kiai turn on, I guess it's necessary to be on
2. 01:01:427 - two lines with different volume lvl in extra and last diff
3. Turn off widescreen in all diffs


Easy
Rhythm in non-kiai part can be a bit challenge for newbie player, will be cool if you make it related to loud instruments in the song, for example violin

00:38:629 (1) - add soft whistle on slider's end?
00:50:796 (1) - ^
00:41:670 (3) - add finish on slider's head?
00:53:838 (1) - ^
00:49:275 (3) - add finish?
00:53:534 (4) - will be cool if you add note here, like you did before with similar sounds


Normal
00:21:291 (1) - missed finish on slider's head?
00:29:503 (2,1) - minor aesthetic thing, try to avoid this overlap, it looks unintentional and not very clean
00:37:260 (1) - spinner feels a bit out of place here, I suggest you to put 1/1 slider on 00:37:413 and then note on 00:38:629
00:41:670 - ah, this sound is so strong, will be cool if you map it
00:49:275 - same here
00:53:838 - and here


Dash Hard
It looks like little extra, so cute
What about increasing stack leniency to 4, for making notes under sliders more noticeable? Because it can scare newbies in current state

00:47:349 (6) - hm, I think you can improve rhythm here and cover red tick 00:47:602, what about note on purple tick + 1/2 slider started from white tick? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9083040


Hard
Same about stack leniency, 4 will be cool

00:38:021 (6,7) - what about bigger spacing than you have here? You marked strong sounds by using bigger spacing before (for example here 00:34:675 (5,1)), and I think it will work for this place too
00:55:663 (1) - stack this note with the end of 00:53:838 (1)? Looks better for me
00:55:967 (2) - drum clap sounds better imo


Insane
00:36:703 (2,3,4) - fix this stack, please
00:38:629 (1,2,3) - it will looks better imo, if you stack notes with slider's end
00:41:365 (3,1) - aaa, this jump is so sudden, try to make it smaller ><
00:52:317 (2,3,1,2) - it works so good here
00:55:257 (5,6) - what about stack this notes for making difference between this pattern and 00:55:562 (1,2), because it sounds not the same
00:59:719 (8,1) - I would like to decrease spacing here, it feels strange because sound on 1 slider is not so loud. What about this spacing? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9083222


Lunatic
check your stacks, please, some of them are broken (or looks like broken). For example this guy - 00:17:235 (3,4) -, 00:19:972 (2,3,4) - this one too
00:20:682 (5) - what about ctrl+g this for flowy circular movement?
00:32:850 (5) - ^


Extra
This diff is great without my suggestions


Sco Gla
00:55:967 (2) - same about drum clap as in Hard diff


That's all from me, sorry for short mod

Bubblun wrote:
What does 'Dash Hard' mean

let me guess, it sounds like ctb thing, so it may be fun to play in ctb
Edit: no, I was wrong :c
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let me guess, it sounds like ctb thing, so it may be fun to play in ctb
Edit: no, I was wrong :c


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  • 卧槽。。。開頭部分和主難度複製貼上得太明顯吧。。。。
  • 00:38:325 (2) - 和主難度一樣
  • 00:38:629 (1) - 這種滑條的頭尾都是跟鋼琴聲的,但是 00:38:933 - 的鋼琴只用滑條點來壓著反而不太好,感覺沒有在打鋼琴的快感
    除了這些沒有啥可以吐槽



Sco Gla
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  • 00:02:431 (4,1) - 強迫症表示碰到了
  • 00:16:728 (1,2) - 這個的間距弄大一些會好些,因為照你之後的擺法是跟鋼琴的音高來加大間距和加快滑條的,這裡在音高升高了,但是間距反而與 00:15:207 (1,2) - 差不多
  • 00:28:895 (1,2) - 這個都是
  • 00:38:325 (2) - 個人覺得這個可以加音效來跟叮噹聲吧。。。沒有加音效的比較很平淡
  • 00:41:366 (2,1) - 這個可以移開一些,比起1/1,這種間距多像1/3,難讀


Good luck~
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Suzuki_1112 wrote:
这为何变U2了呀。。骏马抠的meta,我也很无奈,虽然他就是akiyama uni的说。。。

ceLy wrote:

General
  • 这个stack没问题吧....

Normal
  • 00:25:549 (3,1) - 就只在这里一个stack么... 是啊,我觉得这里比较适合,好像没啥问题?
  • 00:33:458 (1,2,1,2) - 我是觉得这里flow好像和整体有点不合的感觉 这么小范围的移动不会太违和的,只要不dt。

Dash Hard
  • 00:12:672 (3,4,5) - 感觉这里渐强(?)不体现一下么 (也可能是我没看懂吧 ds渐渐变大了咯,算是这样吧。
  • 00:25:853 (1,2) - 这里需不需要减下ds啊..感觉从滑条头来算都比其他地方要大一点 只是甩一下尾巴没事的。

Hard
  • 00:59:313 (1,2,3) - 感觉这组是不是和前面那组稍微变点啊... 这hard就这个感觉了。

Insane
  • 00:28:895 (1,2) - 这个是3.6*0.8 比后面00:31:937 (1,2) - 还要高点诶 后面不需要高点么... 大跳后的gap够长就无所谓。。。话说像这种gap很大的地方就不太需要纠结ds了,毕竟所有flow在物件长时间消失的情况下也跟着消失了。

我估计写了这么点也没什么有用的 orz 饶命

诶 感觉早些时候就见过这图了啊... 这是删了开的新坑么 嗯是的(我去。。。我在回两年前的摸hhh)

link:http://osu.ppy.sh/s/395781

DreaM117er wrote:
m4m~ :)


Easy
    00:38:325 - 這個"叮"加上去很帶感耶 因为是ez所以不想补太多音。
    00:39:845 - 這裡可以加circle上去,仔細看後面好像都是跟同樣一組聲音的 我这个难度主要跟的是簧管轨。
  • 問題並沒有很多


Normal
    00:17:640 (2) - 這裡DS有稍微遠了一些,微調一下 fixed.
    00:29:503 (2,1) - 盡量還是不要這樣遮擋,00:30:416 (1) - 這個順時針轉一下也不會出界的 这个倒还真是无所谓。。。
    00:36:499 (1) - NC不用了 这个要的,你可以想想为何。
    00:40:149 (2) - 這裡跟的好奇怪啊,感覺折返沒有意義,00:41:670 - 這個聲音沒跟到啊。00:47:754 (1) - 00:52:317 (2) - 這個一樣 切轨了,头箭头跟簧管,尾巴跟的是镲。
    00:43:495 (4,5) - 這個感覺就是1/1滑條+2 circle比較好吧,從折返開始跟很怪 这是一个节奏系列的延续,而且其实这个重音是我自己加强节奏而设立在这儿的,硬要说的话想要强调的是背景的鼓轨而不是簧管和钢琴。
    00:56:880 (3) - 這裡也是折返的怪怪的,00:57:792 - 沒有想過這裡放1/1滑條?? 理由类似上面。


Dash Hard
    00:54:142 (3) - 這個音是不是跟錯了,不是紅線上嗎00:53:990 -?? 還是跟前面一樣刪掉?? 切轨了,这个尾巴也是跟鼓。
  • 其他沒什麼問題


Insane
    00:10:543 (3) - 我自己個人覺得這個不要跟前面間距這麼大比較好,才I而已就讓人措手不及不是很好的做法 (Lunatic也是一樣的想法,若難度再往上升一個階層我就不會多說什麼) 这对于i难度的图来说还真不算什么难梗。。。


Lunatic
    00:23:319 (3,4) - 這個往上一一點點,堆疊效果加上去都要出界了 不需要。
    00:58:299 (1,2) - NC替換吧,擺circle怎麼聽都沒意義 你大概没仔细看我前面nc都是怎么下的。


EXEX
    00:37:615 (6,7) - 後面這樣放坑我覺得沒差,這裡間距沒拉好奇怪啊 没看懂。。。


其實沒啥問題的,就你的圖法來看 :) 我居然在对着两年前的117的摸吐槽。。。

Kamio Misuzu wrote:
hi m4m

General
1.aimod里提示堆叠判定值太小,看你是否考虑提高一点 没事的。
2.不太确定有些物件出界没有。主要写在Sco Gla难度里了,其他extra和Lunatic也有,建议还是把太靠下的稍微改改 好。


Sco Gla
00:04:560 (1) - 貌似拖得有点长。00:04:662 - 这里结束可能好点。当然你想保持和前面相同的间距就另说了。感觉上缩短点更自然 其实我部分赞同你,不过老实说这里因为用了延音所以我是特地在这个地方比正常的要多放两个折返的。具体效果其实差不多,目前看来稍微倾向于5连一点,如果后面有人强行让我改那就再说好了233
00:07:602 (1) - ^ ^
00:57:691 - 加个note? 不好。
00:05:169 (3) - 00:24:333 (1) - 00:54:953 (4,5) - 00:55:866 (1,2) - 00:56:474 (4) - 00:58:401 (1) - 建议上移一点,太靠下了都不确定出界没 这些都是不出界的。
kiai好难读啊


Extra
00:04:560 (1) - 同上 同上?出界吗?没出。
00:07:602 (1) - ^ ^
00:35:182 (2) - 改成左侧凹的好打点,或者改直也行 还是现在这样好。


Lunatic
00:58:401 (2) - wacap 233
00:35:486 (3,4) - 往上移 不需要。

低难度没什么。毕竟也是短图。

美丽

Regou wrote:
既然是2kd當然要先佔坑啊
M4M

General
怎麼Insane~Top diff OD都是7啊? 兩個EX可以改成8吧 可,改了。

Sco
  • 00:01:113 (1) - 搬過去右邊一點,現在00:01:113 (1,2,1) - 的視覺距離不太一致不好看
    x:232 y:352 噗。。。这你都挑。。。算了改了233
  • 00:13:889 (2,3,4) - 這樣放很容易誤讀吧,改成00:15:207 (1,2,3,4) - 這樣? 不,这个梗就是这样摆的。
  • 00:14:903 (6) - 換成大弧度的彎滑條吧,能跟後面的梗對應也可以讓排列變好看一點 这里是故意这样都是直的,然后再出现圆弧变化,对应钢琴轨这样。
  • 另外比較主要的是,00:14:294 (4,5,6) - 這個部分的這種滑條的頭和尾之間的spacing並不一致,有些疊住了但有些沒疊住,從歌曲裡我好像倒也沒聽到為什麼要這麼擺,畢竟歌曲旋律變化不算太大,要不試著讓他擺的有規律一點?比方說把滑條的頭和尾都分開 你说的其实很有道理,不过当时我这么摆的最大一个原因就是最大限度地保证其他滑条排版的前提下再考虑局部ds跳的排版。现在这图各种滑条都太长了,就算屏幕这么大也是很难摆到打顺手(何况这图作于三年前),于是当时就是妥协了一下,在滑条尾附近放下一个note就行了,毕竟都是很快速地移动过来,从playing的角度来说并没有太大的区别。当然你硬要说这个从mapping角度来说是个很大的纰漏,我也是承认的。只是目前情况是这图的organization已经锁的差不多了,如果我轻易动了一个note那么其他物件都要跟着动一下才能保持原来好不容易组建起来的打击感:这图已经被无数人打过,test很多遍细微调整了很多梗的物件的位置,再改又要重新来过,所以我想退而求其次就保持这个样子了。
  • 00:25:245 (5,6,7) - 現在看起來擺的太隨意了,讓(5)(6)和(7)的頭連成直線試試? 这还其实就真是这么摆了,5的尾巴+6+7的头这样。
  • 01:01:732 (2) - 這裡沒有音吧 有啊,仔细听鼓。
Extra
那開頭讓我看了好幾遍看看這個跟Sco是不是一個難度 当时这俩diff在一个diff里,后来我给它裁了
  • 00:01:113 (1) - 同top diff fixed.
  • 00:14:598 (5,6,1) - spacing ??总之微调了一下。
  • 00:27:983 (3,4,5) - 跟前面一樣用滑條比較好吧,樂器在這裡跟前面一樣也是有延長的音啊用滑條應該比用圈好吧 额,这里这个节奏就是想跟前面下不一样的,而且其实滑条的走形和前面的带来的感觉也不一样,所以就这么下节奏了。
  • 00:31:025 (3,4,5) - ^ ^
  • 00:33:661 (2) - 太醜,別人打得時候應該是看不出來有包的吧還是重新拉一個吧 噗。。。这个倒是无所谓的。
  • 00:40:149 (1,2) - 這裡感覺不用下跳吧,後面的(3)才是有變高音的部分啊,這裡的話我覺得讓(2)貼近(1)就可以了 毕竟白线+簧管音,跳一下无妨。
  • 00:55:257 (1,2,1,2) - 對比整個難度來說這個太難了,削一下吧? 这地方本来就是这段最高频音了,不过还是把00:55:257 (1,2) - 换了一下,这样好打点。

Lunatic

Insane
這個開頭又讓我看了好幾遍看看是不是和Lunatic一個難度 理由同ex。
  • 00:19:770 (1,2) - 這個對比其他的跳太大了吧,削一下? 没吧,本来就在跟钢琴,而且这跳也不是很难呢。

Hard
Hard和Dash Hard意義不明啊,就這樣子寫的話難度上分的不太清楚吧?(雖然星數有標) 因为以前我用过split insane,所以这次就继续。
圖好像沒啥問題

Dash Hard
怎麼沒做開頭? 握草?!我滚去补了。
從設定來說這個比前面的Hard應該還要難吧,你要不試試把這個改難點讓他變成Hard~Insane之間的難度,整張圖的spread也會變得比較好 这还真不是。。。
  • 00:15:410 (2) - 這個難度裡頭的長滑條好像有點意義不明?都沒有跟到音啊...這裡可能用[Hard]難度裡頭的處理方法會比較好 这就是这么做的一张图,滑条主要跟钢琴。我这图的set里各个diff跟的轨都不一定相同,因为一个曲子并不是说一定要跟这个或者跟那个轨的音才能表现的,就是想尝试各种各样的做法。

Normal
  • 00:01:113 (1) - 可以刪掉,畢竟在沒有完全對齊音的情況下有點突兀 我觉得没啥问题口牙?
  • 00:06:081 (1) - 這個也可以刪了,感覺這邊不用填那麼滿,就放兩個spinner的感覺比較好 纳尼,还是下几个note吧,因为还有ez呢不要太一样比较好吧噗。
  • 00:25:549 (3,1) - 現在的E和N貌似不可以這樣疊住note了 握草,什么?真的吗?算了还是改了吧233
  • 01:02:542 (1) - 換成圈? 这个是为了对应开头。

Easy

美麗,gl

Alphabet wrote:
Hey, M4M

Easy


  • 00:48:971 (2) - Add a whistle fixed.
  • 00:55:967 (1) - You might as well remove the NC since it's a bit weird having one in less than a downbeat nope, i think that nc is necessary.

Normal


  • 00:25:549 (3,1) - I think you could unstack for better readability and emphasis already fixed.
  • 00:40:149 (2) - It's weird that you're ignoring the downbeat with the snapped brass with the slider when you seem to be focusing on that (There's the other ones if you agreed but I know this could be something you were trying to do) actually i shifted the track i'm following at this reverse slider, so you may catch it a bit tough. however that's a common way to map std mode, not much of people notice it thou.

Dash Hard


  • 00:01:113 - I think you should map the beginning like the other diffs hard can be either of them, so be it.
  • 00:12:064 (1,2) - I don't like the feeling of visually similiar spacing when the timing is different, reduce the spacing like 00:13:585 (1,2) - distance is not the only thing you need to consider when you map something like this...
  • 00:17:235 (2,3) - Adjust to make it paralell well... i think they are parallel enough to me now...
  • 00:37:717 (3,4) - Seems jaunting to stop and ignore something that's pretty significant when you've been building up some flow i'm not sure if i caught the point... the pause here just fine to me.
  • 00:54:142 (3,4,5,6,7) - Maybe you could map something more creative than this :o i don't think something more "creative" is better than current one.

Hard


  • 00:12:064 (1,2) - Same as I said in Dash Hard ^
  • 00:31:633 (4) - You could show a bit of a visual difference between the timing of the stacks like you did in Dash Hard with the stack leniency i'll low down sl to 0 to avoid something like this.
  • 00:59:313 (1,2,3) - Unstack these to emphasize the difference between the previous stack? i choose to just stack them.

Insane


  • 00:01:721 (2,1,2) - How come the spacing here is smaller than 00:03:242 (2,1,2) - when they're both the same? that's called the "distance trick pattern" which i used to the whole mapset.
  • 00:12:368 (2,3,4,5,6,1) - Just my opinion but I don't like the lack of emphasis here with the piano increasing in intensity, especially with the big jumps that follow after the style required more than emotion expressed, and actually stack things emphasis things just good as jumps do, if some tricks are laid like this map did.

Lunatic



Extra


  • 00:02:735 (1) - imo looks ugly to have the sliderhead slightly overlapping the last slider i won't change any of these.
  • 00:59:312 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - I think you should have the gap at 00:59:616 (4) - for the finish, like the previous one the later stream are following piano track mainly when previous two followed drum based one, they are two different patterns.

    Not a big fan of this diff but it's fine

Sco Gla


  • 00:02:735 (1) - Same as Extra ^
  • 00:25:448 (6) - You should move this up a little to separate it from the linear patterns you use for the slower jumps like 00:24:535 (2,3,4) - this part is like before the downbeat and those patterns are surely in a hush.
  • 00:44:307 - Add a note here for better flow? (stacked on 00:44:408 (3) - ) then that note may follows nothing... and here i just mainly following brass one.
  • 00:48:869 - ^ ^


Good luck ^^

Bubblun wrote:
m4m from your queue

General

Updates to the criteria allow bg res up to 1920x1200, so if you still have the raw pic you can update it or use waifu2x to convert it to a higher res. haha well... i think 1366x768 is already enough... (my drawing is some kind of free style so just be it http://www... i'll remember that if i create some new one bg, and give higher quality to my drawing technique imo lol


Sco Gla

00:11:454 (4,5) - It doesn't show it in aimod, but these 2 circles are unsnapped. fixed.

00:14:599 (5) - I think to better compliment the sounds mapped here you could drag this down so it shares an equal visual distance from 4 and 6. 6 is different to 5, so as well 5 and 4. you may notice i don't put things in only one condition, listen to other tracks carefully...

00:32:850 (5) - Because there are no slider ticks, the player simply as to relax-aim to the slider tail to perfectly hit this note. In most parts it looks like you too that into consideration, however here is where it might pose a problem because the skill required to play the shape compared to cheesing it is very distinguishable. An easier way to put it is if the player knows how to cheese, 00:32:850 (5) - doesn't share the same intensity as 4 and 6, but are mapped to the same noise. I don't suggest increasing the tick rate because that would inaccurately add visual implications of sounds where they happen to spawn, so instead I suggest using a simple curved slider because assuming the player knows how to cheese sliders, they're still forced to follow it properly. https://puu.sh/xyWYV/1b3db8ff4e.jpg here I tried arranging it with this knowledge into place, but I don't completely understand your structure style so it looked kinda meh. Hopefully you understand where I'm getting at though i know what you means here, and surely this round slider may plays easy if players know they don't need to follow the track and complete the slider easily. i just wanna say that the kind of slider like that do not confusing players in tapping or aiming, it just confuse them by reading or its overlapping with its high sv, fast slider ball & slider circle and long slider track. this map is like an easy test or trying, then if some map with bunches of sliders like that, even you don't put them in higher tick rate, most of players may failed in playing them or even reading them. thanks for the advice and your version of the pattern in that pic ofc match my style in this map, but things may be different from what you 1stly thought on this.


Extra

00:13:889 - Because of the flipped copy of Sco Gla before this part, It makes this section feel undermapped, and also makes the fact the intro's copied seem superficial, or fake. Because of that I suggest mapping the intro of this diff from scratch, unless you can lower the sv to the amount relative to the diff (Which would be around 0.8-1.0x) of the copied patterns while still maintaining their ideas. the intro part in both of top and this diff are also like intro to both maps' different style. top diff goes fast slider with short ds, and this goes large jump with low sv. i think you over considered this but i'm still surprised that you can even notice this.


Lunatic

00:12:672 (3,4,5,6) - I think you could make the spacing between each of these notes gradually increase, or at least comparably greater than 00:11:150 (3,4,5,6) - Because it's a reused idea for a new part of the song, I feel it'd be more interesting to compliment that with a variation of the previous pattern. like i've mentioned before, i'm like doing the intro part for a standard style for each both style's intro part. so let that go and so be it.


Insane

00:25:853 (1) - Because of the lack of overlapped patterns and a large use of linear patterns, I feel it made this note unexpected and harder to read. It was harder to anticipate this because it seemed like we were fixed on the idea of 'linear patterns and lack of overlaps' An easy fix would be to move 1 to x:200 y:370 as it creates a triangle shape with it's surrounding sliders (7-8) and is better anticipated. i have to agree you on this, changed as you suggested. good job, you can even find something i should change with a proper reason, awesome.

00:32:546 (4,5,6) - LOLOLOL lol~


Normal

00:25:549 (3,1) - Criteria states in normal you need the stack leniency high enough for 1/1 objects. That counts for sliders too. So you'll need to bump the leniency up. i see, fixed.


Couldn't find much for the rest of the map. Really good set, and nice ideas. gl in pushing this.

Edit: What does 'Dash Hard' mean
Is it how fast I'm playing these sliders xddd some kind of yes, maybe you gonna find out the rest of tricks' meaning, you have that talent for my maps imo ww.

PandaHero wrote:
m4m from your queue


General
1. 00:38:629 - you have two lines with different samplsets here (softs on redline and drums on green line) in all diffs except normal and easy. Also red line have no kiai turn on, I guess it's necessary to be on true, fixed all.
2. 01:01:427 - two lines with different volume lvl in extra and last diff true again, fixed all.
3. Turn off widescreen in all diffs


Easy
Rhythm in non-kiai part can be a bit challenge for newbie player, will be cool if you make it related to loud instruments in the song, for example violin idk, maybe let nominator see if this can be passed.

00:38:629 (1) - add soft whistle on slider's end? about hs, i would change little things than current setting, for i actually add them in a general system. so i'll just reply those ones i changed.
00:50:796 (1) - ^
00:41:670 (3) - add finish on slider's head?
00:53:838 (1) - ^
00:49:275 (3) - add finish?
00:53:534 (4) - will be cool if you add note here, like you did before with similar sounds i prefer no note here.


Normal
00:21:291 (1) - missed finish on slider's head? i think so, fixed.
00:29:503 (2,1) - minor aesthetic thing, try to avoid this overlap, it looks unintentional and not very clean i decide to ignore it.
00:37:260 (1) - spinner feels a bit out of place here, I suggest you to put 1/1 slider on 00:37:413 and then note on 00:38:629 i really got some mood in putting spinner rather than anything here.
00:41:670 - ah, this sound is so strong, will be cool if you map it you may notice that this diff mainly follows drum track.
00:49:275 - same here
00:53:838 - and here


Dash Hard
It looks like little extra, so cute
What about increasing stack leniency to 4, for making notes under sliders more noticeable? Because it can scare newbies in current state this is a hard level map and not for newbies. actually i even low down sl to 0 as well.

00:47:349 (6) - hm, I think you can improve rhythm here and cover red tick 00:47:602, what about note on purple tick + 1/2 slider started from white tick? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9083040 nope, that rhythm style is like decent to me.


Hard
Same about stack leniency, 4 will be cool same as previous diff.

00:38:021 (6,7) - what about bigger spacing than you have here? You marked strong sounds by using bigger spacing before (for example here 00:34:675 (5,1)), and I think it will work for this place too oh well i just think ds snap is enough for this diff cuz there're other difficult point players need to deal with. still a fine suggestion to me.
00:55:663 (1) - stack this note with the end of 00:53:838 (1)? Looks better for me haha ok, i still think current state is better than sudden hidden+jump pattern there, after the consideration just you mentioned here.
00:55:967 (2) - drum clap sounds better imo sure, changed.


Insane
00:36:703 (2,3,4) - fix this stack, please idk what happened but mine is already perfectly stacked.
00:38:629 (1,2,3) - it will looks better imo, if you stack notes with slider's end oh nope that's not what i want.
00:41:365 (3,1) - aaa, this jump is so sudden, try to make it smaller >< actually this is exactly what i wanna map in this diff.
00:52:317 (2,3,1,2) - it works so good here orz
00:55:257 (5,6) - what about stack this notes for making difference between this pattern and 00:55:562 (1,2), because it sounds not the same ok, i agree to this. changed.
00:59:719 (8,1) - I would like to decrease spacing here, it feels strange because sound on 1 slider is not so loud. What about this spacing? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9083222 i think so, decreased a little bit.


Lunatic
check your stacks, please, some of them are broken (or looks like broken). For example this guy - 00:17:235 (3,4) -, 00:19:972 (2,3,4) - this one too it's like an editor bug imo, when you save the changes then some notes will slightly moved a bit automatically. but i'll try to fix them as possible as i can.
00:20:682 (5) - what about ctrl+g this for flowy circular movement? that'll be more difficult to play, you may think about why.
00:32:850 (5) - ^ ^


Extra
This diff is great without my suggestions


Sco Gla
00:55:967 (2) - same about drum clap as in Hard diff changed.


That's all from me, sorry for short mod

Bubblun wrote:
What does 'Dash Hard' mean

let me guess, it sounds like ctb thing, so it may be fun to play in ctb just focus on std and forget ctb lol
Edit: no, I was wrong :c

Firis Mistlud wrote:
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Extra
  • 卧槽。。。開頭部分和主難度複製貼上得太明顯吧。。。。不是太明显,是就是赤果果的复制粘贴
  • 00:38:325 (2) - 和主難度一樣 233。。。
  • 00:38:629 (1) - 這種滑條的頭尾都是跟鋼琴聲的,但是 00:38:933 - 的鋼琴只用滑條點來壓著反而不太好,感覺沒有在打鋼琴的快感 额,这边主要跟簧管,所以钢琴就靠边了。
    除了這些沒有啥可以吐槽



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  • 00:02:431 (4,1) - 強迫症表示碰到了 妈呀求放过。
  • 00:16:728 (1,2) - 這個的間距弄大一些會好些,因為照你之後的擺法是跟鋼琴的音高來加大間距和加快滑條的,這裡在音高升高了,但是間距反而與 00:15:207 (1,2) - 差不多 啊咧,难道这两边的钢琴音调本来就差不多不是吗。。。
  • 00:28:895 (1,2) - 這個都是 姆。。。
  • 00:38:325 (2) - 個人覺得這個可以加音效來跟叮噹聲吧。。。沒有加音效的比較很平淡 这本音已经够响了,不需要再用hs强调。
  • 00:41:366 (2,1) - 這個可以移開一些,比起1/1,這種間距多像1/3,難讀 这ds梗就是这么放的。


Good luck~


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normal
00:16:728 (1,2) - 平行吧
00:23:724 (3,4) - slider?00:20:682 (3) -
normal的kiai比easy还简单的感觉。。折返或者超级长滑条感觉稍微多了点
00:41:670 - 感觉应该这边下节奏
00:49:275 - etc
00:55:359 - 加个note

Dash Hard
求标题意思
00:25:549 (3,1) - 这个有点难看
00:41:873 - circle?

insane
00:34:371 (5,6,1) - 间距有点突然,之前的大小突变都是用来对比1/3 2/3间距的,这边好像没有
00:36:703 (2,3) - 也可以做00:35:182 (2,3,4) - 的间距,consistent
00:38:629 (1,2,3) - 开下堆叠这种东西太难看了。。还是好好包一下
后面类似

主难度
00:14:294 (4,5,6) - 总感觉不好看。。间距和重叠的都不一样,乱了点
00:39:135 (3,4,5,6,7) - etc修一下stack产生的不等间距?

每两个diff之间开头几乎一样就是反向了,是故意的?
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sahuang wrote:
normal
00:16:728 (1,2) - 平行吧 不要啊。。。
00:23:724 (3,4) - slider? 这个无所谓吧,还是note好了。00:20:682 (3) -
normal的kiai比easy还简单的感觉。。折返或者超级长滑条感觉稍微多了点 normal的kiai打的是非常规节奏啊,,,不压downbeat毕竟,比easy难多了。
00:41:670 - 感觉应该这边下节奏 非常规节奏a。
00:49:275 - etc 纳尼?!
00:55:359 - 加个note 非常规节奏b。

Dash Hard
求标题意思 这个就如我cw里所写,原本这图就是以两种方式去表现这个曲子,一种是高速移动+低速滑条,一种是低速移动+高速滑条。这图属于后者,dash是我想要表现滑条很快的意思从而作为高速滑条的一个提示。类似的,高速移动我会用jump,以前还做过舞水滴纯圈没滑条的我用了spread,以后估计还会做纯滑条没圈的我会用merge。←大致就是这个我自己理解的理由。
00:25:549 (3,1) - 这个有点难看 纳尼。。。我觉得比平行好看。。。
00:41:873 - circle? 可以,加了。

insane
00:34:371 (5,6,1) - 间距有点突然,之前的大小突变都是用来对比1/3 2/3间距的,这边好像没有 不太懂你说的意思,不过这里钢琴本来就有更高的音调,有些节奏和排列与其他几个小节不同也是情有可原?总之大概就是这个意思。
00:36:703 (2,3) - 也可以做00:35:182 (2,3,4) - 的间距,consistent 可以,改了。
00:38:629 (1,2,3) - 开下堆叠这种东西太难看了。。还是好好包一下 想了一下把4个高难度sl全都改成0了,因为这个图的堆叠我就是想要让它原地连打的,况且如果不完全堆叠的话这图很多地方的结构都会变得很奇怪,况且这图没有什么很爆炸的遮挡。你如果觉得不行你就说。
后面类似

主难度
00:14:294 (4,5,6) - 总感觉不好看。。间距和重叠的都不一样,乱了点 这边其实就是前面两个叠,后面两个跳一小下这样,这边这几组在这段都是这么摆的,没有那么乱啦orz
00:39:135 (3,4,5,6,7) - etc修一下stack产生的不等间距? sl0自动解决了。

每两个diff之间开头几乎一样就是反向了,是故意的? 是的。


抱歉回晚了。。。最近实在太忙。。。
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