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Demetori - Gensou, Yume no Owari

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GoldenWolf
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GoldenWolf
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on mercredi 11 mai 2016 at 10:30:31

Artist: Demetori
Title: Gensou, Yume no Owari
Source: 東方Project
Tags: Fantasy Dream's End 徳南 tokunan 九宝時 kyuuhouji 葉っぱ happa 花は幻想のままに hana wa gensou no mama ni touhou Kaeidzuka 花映塚 Phantasmagoria of Flower View c-clays cclays GROUND ZERO TOHO ROCK 2007 ZUN 上海アリス幻樂団 Team Shanghai Alice progressive instrumental Alheak
BPM: 120,3
Filesize: 12827kb
Play Time: 05:15
Difficulties Available:
  1. Genjitsu no Hajimari (3,83 stars, 825 notes)
Download: Demetori - Gensou, Yume no Owari
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Last edited by GoldenWolf , edited 11 times in total.
Nozhomi
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4,568 posts
Joined May 2013
Nozhomi
M4M with baguette.

- General :

  1. Not sure you want to keep Countdown and Letterbox~

- Genjitsu no Hajimari :

  1. 01:05:836 (2,3) - You should put them more in evidence, or people could be thinking it's 1/4 rhythm. Like you did for 01:10:036 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - is a good solution.
  2. 01:27:536 (4,5,6) - What do you think about doing a custom stack like this http://puu.sh/mVCy0/e4cc9d2dbc.jpg ? Would be more aesthetic and good for readability.
  3. 03:28:642 (6) - So you follow guitar here who finish on a 1/6 tic. Ok that's quite strange to have a 1/6 suddenly but why not. But then explain me why you don't map this one too 03:29:072 - ? You should if you map previous one or this make no sense.
  4. 03:41:798 (2,3) - I dunno but this might be quite hard for this diff imo. I would reduce spacing here and make flow more evident to avoid a frustrating break.
  5. 04:22:249 (1,2) - This overlap looks bad and out of nowhere if you look at the diff. It's easy to fix it and not even inconsistent with other parts http://puu.sh/mVDfF/80e010f113.jpg .
  6. Dunno why but a spinner could be cool at the end :/

Stop mapping that good thx I can't mod this orz.
Mukyu~
Alheak
910 posts
Joined November 2013
Alheak

Nozhomi wrote:

M4M with baguette.

- Genjitsu no Hajimari :

  1. 01:05:836 (2,3) - You should put them more in evidence, or people could be thinking it's 1/4 rhythm. Like you did for 01:10:036 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - is a good solution. oui
  2. 03:28:642 (6) - So you follow guitar here who finish on a 1/6 tic. Ok that's quite strange to have a 1/6 suddenly but why not. But then explain me why you don't map this one too 03:29:072 - ? You should if you map previous one or this make no sense. mais y'a rien ici o.o j'avoue que la guitare est un peu en avance, mais elle est sensée jouer sur le downbeat
  3. 03:41:798 (2,3) - I dunno but this might be quite hard for this diff imo. I would reduce spacing here and make flow more evident to avoid a frustrating break. il n'y a pas vraiment de "difficulté cible" ici, on map ce qu'on entend et de façon agréable à jouer. C'est sûrement un peu dur à lire mais quand joué correctement ça a son effet
  4. 04:22:249 (1,2) - This overlap looks bad and out of nowhere if you look at the diff. It's easy to fix it and not even inconsistent with other parts http://puu.sh/mVDfF/80e010f113.jpg . oui changé

Stop mapping that good thx I can't mod this orz.
Mukyu~
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GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
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GoldenWolf
To clarify a bit:

03:28:642 (6) - The bass land on 1/3 snapping, this is probably intended and as such is mapped accordingly. On the other hand, 03:29:093 - This guitar note is most likely just rushed, it's closer to 1/12 snapping but really should be on the downbeat, and as such was ignored.

03:41:798 (2,3) - Think of the kick slider as a circle; it plays exactly like every other spaced 1/4 in the map. It might cause some confusion for a sightread, but that slider is necessary for hitsounding purpose.
Natteke desu
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Natteke desu
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dermit
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dermit
Alright, my mod as requested by the leek

General:
OD: we talked about this, but I disagree with OD 8, It's 120bpm and AR 8.5. Rethink it, I'd tone it down to at least 7.5


00:35:528 (1) - The beat of the sliderend here is way stronger than the beginning
00:35:528 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - I disagree with this whole section. It doesn't play the way it sounds if you catch my meanings. Really strong beats end on ends of kicksliders like 00:37:250 (6) - I'd reconsider
00:37:495 (1,2,3) - Here you follow the guitar so shoving the stronger beat to the sliderend makes sense, but you abandon that right away in the next measure in 00:39:463 (1,2,3) - which makes this play very awkwardly to me and you kinda lose the justification for sliders in my eyes.
01:23:233 (2) - I can't hear anything that would justify a sliderbeginning here.
01:23:971 (5) - ^

The rest is really nice not much to say.
I'd really reconsider the low importance you seem to assign to the snare in the early portions of the map. Sure it is barely used at the beginning of a measure but it's by far the most prominent percussive in the song. Shoving it to sliderends makes the map play awkwardly in my opinion.
GoldenWolf
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Joined May 2012
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GoldenWolf

dermit wrote:

Alright, my mod as requested by the leek

General:
OD: we talked about this, but I disagree with OD 8, It's 120bpm and AR 8.5. Rethink it, I'd tone it down to at least 7.5 So after thinking this through, I decided to lower the OD down to 7.5. I'm not going further down than that, and you're not likely to see me using an OD that low anytime soon either. :c


00:35:528 (1) - The beat of the sliderend here is way stronger than the beginning I disagree. The slider starts on a bass beat + splash cymbal, all on a downbeat, which is way stronger than just a snare on a blue tick. Besides, the map alternates between 3/4 sliders and two 1/2 sliders here and there, whenever there's a bass on the first redtick.
01:23:233 (2) - I can't hear anything that would justify a sliderbeginning here. For 01:23:233 (2) - and 01:31:102 (2) - there is indeed no strong reasons for them to be here, they're mostly there to keep the flow going nice and smooth, rather than following the song 1:1. It's a deliberate choice I've made when mapping it, fully conscious of what it implies, its downs and upsides. If it's really detrimental to the map I can change it, but I'd like to keep that as is.
01:23:971 (5) - ^ To add to my previous point, notice how I used 3/4 sliders whenever a measure starts with a splash/crash cymbal, except for the very first one because of the guitar giving another rhythm, so it's at least consistent in that regard.
Thanks for your mod!
Alheak
910 posts
Joined November 2013
Alheak

dermit wrote:

Alright, my mod as requested by the leek

General:
OD: we talked about this, but I disagree with OD 8, It's 120bpm and AR 8.5. Rethink it, I'd tone it down to at least 7.5


00:35:528 (1) - The beat of the sliderend here is way stronger than the beginning I don't think so, the start has a kick+finish and is the beginning of the new part
00:35:528 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - I disagree with this whole section. It doesn't play the way it sounds if you catch my meanings. Really strong beats end on ends of kicksliders like 00:37:250 (6) - I'd reconsider partially agree, but we have to keep in mind that sometimes things play better and more naturally with sliders starting on certain beats even if they're not the most accentuated ones - also already talked about this but I tried your suggestion but it just doesn't feel right
00:37:495 (1,2,3) - Here you follow the guitar so shoving the stronger beat to the sliderend makes sense, but you abandon that right away in the next measure in 00:39:463 (1,2,3) - which makes this play very awkwardly to me and you kinda lose the justification for sliders in my eyes. those aren't exactly the same rhythmical patterns and accentuation, in the first part the guitar is more prominent but then we go back to the "classic" rhythm

The rest is really nice not much to say.
I'd really reconsider the low importance you seem to assign to the snare in the early portions of the map. Sure it is barely used at the beginning of a measure but it's by far the most prominent percussive in the song. Shoving it to sliderends makes the map play awkwardly in my opinion.
thanks again for your feedback, I did reconsider some things and made me see things from another perspective, even if they weren't changed in the end
Joshua Elvanus
Joshua Elvanus
Nice Map
Hope This Get Ranked
Bearizm
1,213 posts
Joined October 2013
Bearizm
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  1. maybe this hitsound may come in handy on some parts like 02:52:986 (1,2,3,4,5) - http://puu.sh/nRHLX.wav
  2. 01:02:577 (6) - should make this 2 circles so the second drum is clickable. u did it at 00:54:709 (5,6) - 00:58:643 (6,7) - so why not here.
  3. 01:15:610 (3) - remove the repeat in here because 01:16:102 - is quite strong sounding due to that umm.. guitar/bass/idk my instruments. make a triple at 01:16:102 -
  4. 01:26:184 (6) - I have no solution for this, but people might mistake this as 1/4 since the SV throughout the map is so low and makes it hard to distinguish different snappings. NC or something?
  5. 01:45:610 - break is unsnapped. I don't think there should even be a break here, it's way too short.
  6. 01:50:897 (1) - remove NC?
  7. 03:09:831 - now this calls for a break imo
  8. 03:28:642 (6,7) - what?
  9. 03:29:995 (3,4,5) - yo this is just too evil..
  10. 04:25:568 (4,5,6) - ^
  11. sorry for a shitmod I don't really know how to mod hard-marathons as marathons has way much more freedom.

good luck.
Alheak
910 posts
Joined November 2013
Alheak

Bearizm wrote:

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  1. 01:02:577 (6) - should make this 2 circles so the second drum is clickable. u did it at 00:54:709 (5,6) - 00:58:643 (6,7) - so why not here. yes
  2. 01:45:610 - break is unsnapped. I don't think there should even be a break here, it's way too short. agreed, removed, tho gwolf will have the last word i guess
  3. 01:50:897 (1) - remove NC? uh yes
  4. 03:09:831 - now this calls for a break imo I guess so too
  5. 03:28:642 (6,7) - what? mhh changed from 1/6 to 1/8
  6. 03:29:995 (3,4,5) - yo this is just too evil.. l2alt skrub git gud
  7. 04:25:568 (4,5,6) - ^
  8. sorry for a shitmod I don't really know how to mod hard-marathons as marathons has way much more freedom. this is an extra in the body of a hard, or for short a wonder of the rating system

good luck.
thanks bear

btw wolf delete .osb
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Silverboxer
670 posts
Joined December 2012
Silverboxer
from my modding queue

Genjitsu no Hajimari

00:33:807 (1,2,3) - this being 1/6 notes right after 00:32:577 (3,4,5) being 1/4 might be slightly confusing. they look almost identical but are different timing
00:49:791 (3) - this should be 1/6 slider repeating only once
00:57:536 (2) - blanket better with slider 1 (maybe x:484 y:108 or slightly adjust anchor points instead)
00:58:151 (4) - ctrl + h and then move
01:28:028 (6) - overlap is slightly weird because of the circle over the last slider. move to x:420 y:212 and then adjust next pattern
02:52:986 (1,2,3,4,5) - I'm not sure this is a good place for a stream. the notes are very quiet so maybe make it a kick slider. also there are notes before this pattern, starting at the next 1/6 tick after 02:52:495 (3)
04:48:806 (4) - nc
04:52:741 (4) - nc
05:00:659 (1) - this note extends longer than the slider. maybe stretch the slider until 05:01:276
05:01:399 (2) - extend this to next 1/4 tick and delete circle 3
05:03:868 bpm here seems slightly off. I can't find the exact one but 122 bpm on this timing point sounds a bit better to me

Really nice map. Most of it is perfect and I barely found anything wrong with it. Good luck with this
Alheak
910 posts
Joined November 2013
Alheak

Silverboxer wrote:

from my modding queue

Genjitsu no Hajimari

00:49:791 (3) - this should be 1/6 slider repeating only once indeed fixed
00:57:536 (2) - blanket better with slider 1 (maybe x:484 y:108 or slightly adjust anchor points instead) moved a bit but can't do much better since i don't want to place it too far as it is 1/4
00:58:151 (4) - ctrl + h and then move yes

Really nice map. Most of it is perfect and I barely found anything wrong with it. Good luck with this
Thanks! That was a nice mod

http://puu.sh/nSEga/24b784fabc.osu
-Keitaro
1,013 posts
Joined October 2013
-Keitaro
From my modding queue~
You break the rules in my modding queue :p

01:18:315 (5) - Stack with the end of 01:16:840 (1) -
There is no spinner in this map, this make in ctb, most of the score are same, please add some spinner, on the end of the beatmap. Please read This or read standard ranking criteria
oh lol, perfect beatmap :3 GL to get approved~
Alheak
910 posts
Joined November 2013
Alheak
wait how, I'm sure i read everything right
welp


this is not my part so i won't be the one responding to the mod, but about the spinner issue, we thought about that, we'll look into it again

thank you for taking your time!
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
Topic Starter
GoldenWolf

Bearizm wrote:

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  1. maybe this hitsound may come in handy on some parts like 02:52:986 (1,2,3,4,5) - http://puu.sh/nRHLX.wav meh, sounds way too loud and not really fitting there
  2. 01:15:610 (3) - remove the repeat in here because 01:16:102 - is quite strong sounding due to that umm.. guitar/bass/idk my instruments. make a triple at 01:16:102 - There is a guitar note starting there with a closed hihat, but I want 01:16:225 (4) - something to start there because of the snare, which feels stronger.
  3. 01:26:184 (6) - I have no solution for this, but people might mistake this as 1/4 since the SV throughout the map is so low and makes it hard to distinguish different snappings. NC or something? It has the same length as other 1/6s sliders, and are quite clearly shorter than 1/4s sliders to me, so until other people point it out as detrimental, it's fine by me.
  4. 01:45:610 - break is unsnapped. I don't think there should even be a break here, it's way too short. I guess
  5. 03:09:831 - now this calls for a break imo Would be a nice break time if the silence was longer, but as is it's way too short (even shorter than the previous break that got removed) and would just be annoyingly confusing, not confusing like you'd miss, but confusing enough to make players cringe, so nope from me.
  6. sorry for a shitmod I don't really know how to mod hard-marathons as marathons has way much more freedom.

good luck.
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
Topic Starter
GoldenWolf

Silverboxer wrote:

from my modding queue

Genjitsu no Hajimari

00:33:807 (1,2,3) - this being 1/6 notes right after 00:32:577 (3,4,5) being 1/4 might be slightly confusing. they look almost identical but are different timing Yes indeed. If that pattern were to be further into the map, I'd most likely change it so to not be annoying to play and miss in the middle, but since it's 30 seconds into the map, and is not that hard to read (Likely to be misread on the 1st-2nd attempt, then afterward I expect the player to understand it's a 1/6) I'm going to try to keep it, unless it gets mentionned in futures mods, then I'll think of a way to make it easier to read. But as of now, I really like the way it plays, feels and goes with the upgoing snare roll.
01:28:028 (6) - overlap is slightly weird because of the circle over the last slider. move to x:420 y:212 and then adjust next pattern Ooo that's really nice because then by moving the next pattern, I can now add a circle to 01:29:504 (3) - this hihat sound! Nice one.
02:52:986 (1,2,3,4,5) - I'm not sure this is a good place for a stream. the notes are very quiet so maybe make it a kick slider. also there are notes before this pattern, starting at the next 1/6 tick after 02:52:495 (3) Huh. Wait what? I don't hear anything between 02:52:495 (3,1) - these two circles. Besides, the streams in this section do fit imo as the notes are not so quiet you can't hear them (it's actually not hard to hear them and even guess they're 1/6s), they're also there for hitsounding purposes.
04:48:806 (4) - nc k
04:52:741 (4) - nc k
05:00:659 (1) - this note extends longer than the slider. maybe stretch the slider until 05:01:276 Nope. It is indeed on 05:01:029 - .
05:01:399 (2) - extend this to next 1/4 tick and delete circle 3 Yeah no, it used to be that way, but it was just awkward to play, so I made it a triple instead.
05:03:868 bpm here seems slightly off. I can't find the exact one but 122 bpm on this timing point sounds a bit better to me It is indeed slightly off, but it's leaning toward 121.5 :p Nice catch though
Nice mod

Really nice map. Most of it is perfect and I barely found anything wrong with it. Good luck with this
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
Topic Starter
GoldenWolf

Rendyindo wrote:

01:18:315 (5) - Stack with the end of 01:16:840 (1) - What if it's manually stacked eh? :^)
There is no spinner in this map, this make in ctb, most of the score are same, please add some spinner, on the end of the beatmap. Please read This or read standard ranking criteria No spinner would properly fit in this map, anywhere I would put one, it would feel forced.
sahuang
2,293 posts
Joined December 2014
sahuang
From Alheak's STD queue
My english is poor, wish you can understand LOL

General
A pretty cool touhou map!!!!! :)
cs5 & ar8.3 is better?
Dunno if you can close letterbox or not
04:43:888 - i suggest kiai ends here which seems better with bgm


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01:02:454 (5,6,7) - The time duration between 6,7 is twice as 5,6. So why are 6 and 7 stacked and away from 5?
http://puu.sh/nT7UI/a851eb0505.jpg This is better.
01:30:118 (6,7) - Is this too far away?I think it's even better if you make 01:30:364 (7,1) - stack.
01:50:036 (2,3) - This place is really strange, you did not catch the beat.I don't hear a beat here 01:50:897 (3) - And
01:50:221 - is much louder than 01:50:405 -
01:52:003 (8) - NC?
03:39:708 (3,4,5) - 4 and 5 has quite a long time duration but you put them too close,not clear enough.
03:46:347 (7,8) - stack?
03:50:281 (4,5) - ^
wonder why you didn't stack in some '2's(by '2's i mean 2 circles in 1/4 distance) but did it here: 03:59:995 (5,6) - etc.?
04:20:036 (5,6,1) - Looks bad.
04:37:126 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - The distance of 4.5.6 makes people think it's '3's rather than single tap.
04:45:855 (1,2,3) - For here,i suggest that the distance of 2,3>1,2 since sound is higher
04:49:790 (1,2,3) - ^
04:53:724 (1,2,3) - ^

It feels good when I play！
Wish you can rank it soon :D
Alheak
910 posts
Joined November 2013
Alheak

sahuang wrote:

From Alheak's STD queue
My english is poor, wish you can understand LOL

General
A pretty cool touhou map!!!!! :)
cs5 & ar8.3 is better?
Dunno if you can close letterbox or not
04:43:888 - i suggest kiai ends here which seems better with bgm maybe yes, gwolf will have the last word i guess


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01:02:454 (5,6,7) - The time duration between 6,7 is twice as 5,6. So why are 6 and 7 stacked and away from 5? so the player has to make a pause on (7), it fits with the song. stopping the cursor to play (5,6) would not be appropriate
http://puu.sh/nT7UI/a851eb0505.jpg This is better.
01:50:036 (2,3) - This place is really strange, you did not catch the beat.I don't hear a beat here 01:50:897 (3) - And
01:50:221 - is much louder than 01:50:405 - I am following the bass here
01:52:003 (8) - NC? I prefer keeping my consistency of one NC every measure, and NCing for just 2 combos wouldn't be very useful
03:39:708 (3,4,5) - 4 and 5 has quite a long time duration but you put them too close,not clear enough. same stopping effect as ealier
04:20:036 (5,6,1) - Looks bad. i don't think so, what makes you say that? do you have a suggestion?
04:37:126 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - The distance of 4.5.6 makes people think it's '3's rather than single tap. they're all 1/4s, this is a stream

It feels good when I play！
Wish you can rank it soon :D
thank you! glad to hear it plays nicely
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