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hi and thank you but i'll take an eternity to rank this i hope you don't mind

I'm not so sure about this


GENERAL
  • 01:53:203 - From here on the strings are always extremely off, ktgster's way of handling with that is close to accurate but I feel like this calls for timing sections as it's most likely not the intended rhythm by the artist lol, I'll try to ask around and if needed time it for you, but someone's able to edit that in the mp3 lol
  • I can't hear the hitsounds at all at many places, basically all the noisy Kiai-parts where a clickable filler-note has only soft-hitnormal and nothing else, I can barely hear those when turning music-volume to 25%, try doing something different at those places or just turn the general volume up bc this song is loud af xd

HAVOC
  • 00:15:488 (3,4,5,6) - I don't really understand the spacing here since it gives emphasis to the offbeats, why not ctrl-g (4,5,6)?
  • 00:25:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - When I was having my first look on this map with HT this seemed off to me since autostacking makes (2) not stack on 00:24:631 (8) etc, and when you're setting up a pentagon so nicely it's rather notably when it gets crooked, so I'm suggesting to move the stacks at least 4x4 pixels, bc then the centre of the triplet is stacking on it (I didn't notice that anywhere else though, only here, and I didn't even recognize that it was due to autostacking; just saying this bc I'm not just randomly nazi'ing ^^)
  • 00:35:774 (8,1) - I feel like this would have a cooler effect when stacked tbh, since there's already that special beat on 00:36:060
    Would probably also make 00:36:560 (1,2) easier to read since it's closer
  • I don't know how many testplays of people that are at least somewhat proficient in mapping you got, but there are a few patterns where I'd really like someone's opinion on, for example 00:40:631 (4,5,6) which seems extremely irritating to me since it's spaced exactly like 00:38:203 (4,5,6) -, my suggestion would be to space it like this since that indicates that it's something different, but dunno about you.
    Another thing that seems bad to play for me and would need testplaying is 00:38:488 (6,7,8,9,10,1) bc the flow seems murderous here, have you got any feedback on this yet?
  • 00:45:203 (1,2) - This continuing the flow of the reverse here feels very underwhelming to me bc of the big interval but small spacing, would work better if (2) were swapped horizontally as it would at least break the flow, and flow would also be harder on 00:46:060 (2,3) since you'd have to turn 180° then, which would emphasize that slider quite nicely imo
  • 00:50:345 (1,2,3,4) - Not minding that the spacing of these seems completely overdone to me, I find it weird to have such extremely fast movement here just to forcefully slow down at 00:50:917 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) again even though it's one continuous musical pattern that doesn't get any less intense at (5), I'd make that stream into sliders to and tone them down a bit xd
  • 00:56:060 (1,2) - This feels very underwhelming too, even just ctrl-g'ing (2) would improve it a lot for me, or maybe try something like this?
  • 01:26:203 (4) - This seems out of place rhythmically, would move it to the blue tick after since that's where the unz is at
  • 01:55:203 (1,2,3,4) and 01:56:917 (1,2,3,4) are 1/4s, just as I already mentioned incredibly off lol
    Also I feel like those streams could increase more in spacing than they do know, considering it's the final phrase of such an epic song 01:56:917 (1,2,3,4) plays pretty calm ^^
  • 01:47:488 (6,7) - Again all of those feeling extremely underwhelming, making (6) reverse and then putting a circle somewhere would literally give it more kick xd
  • 01:20:917 (4,5,6,7) - 01:35:488 (3,4,5,6,7) - 01:41:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - those are 1/3 actually
  • In case you care: 00:17:274 (2) is overmapped (in Infinity too)
    also like half of this stream, don't really know what that's mapped to 01:32:060 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) -

KTGSTER'S GRAVITY
  • 00:24:060 (1,2,3,4) - You made this pattern with 00:23:774 (7,8) in mind but ingame this looks incredibly crappy because those circles aren't visible anymore lol, might as well stack (3) on (7,8) imo
  • 00:57:204 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - I heavily dislike this pattern for 3/8-3/8-2/8-rhythms because to me the even-ish spacing suggests that it's 1/3-rhythm, I incredibly hate that because I always have to look at maps using that in the editor after getting 100s at it so I know which one of the rhythms it is - Try coming up with a pattern like HAVOC's that spaces the (3,1)s less please ;_;
  • 01:13:488 (2,3,4) - I know that theoretically DS is indicating the 1/3 here but do you really think anybody recognizes that at all? Have you gotten testplays on this?
  • 01:23:774 (4,5) - overlap !! !!
    Might wanna space things in this whole combo more bc 01:24:346 (8,1,2) looks really messy imo lol
  • 01:32:917 (2,3,4) - Yeah there's a piano-note audible on (3) when slowed down but for me this isn't recognizable at all in fullspeed and just plays really weird :/
  • 01:51:203 (3) - Why are you mapping the white tick here? You ignored it previously and this plays really weird too for me xd
  • 01:58:488 (2,3,4) - This is not a straight line if that's what you were going for :^)
  • 00:53:774 (16,1) - waht is NCing
  • 01:17:774 (1,2,3,4) - this already sounds like 1/3 to me
  • 01:32:417 (7) - Sounds like the beat is emphasizing on (6) really hard but this pretty-much-overmapped circle ruins that for me in the map tbh
  • 01:40:631 (1,2,3,4,5) - and this is the only overmapped stream that I found in the whole map, seems out of place to me tbh

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Ok I'm about to go deaf bc of having to check snaps so much, I'll probably come back to have a look at the other diffs too in the next few days, sorry lol ~
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hi and thank you but i'll take an eternity to rank this i hope you don't mind

I'm not so sure about this


GENERAL
  • 01:53:203 - From here on the strings are always extremely off, ktgster's way of handling with that is close to accurate but I feel like this calls for timing sections as it's most likely not the intended rhythm by the artist lol, I'll try to ask around and if needed time it for you, but someone's able to edit that in the mp3 lol yeah i know but i could never find a thing im 100% satisfied with so i just stuck to 1/3. i can also go with 1/4 as you suggested for the last two streams
  • I can't hear the hitsounds at all at many places, basically all the noisy Kiai-parts where a clickable filler-note has only soft-hitnormal and nothing else, I can barely hear those when turning music-volume to 25%, try doing something different at those places or just turn the general volume up bc this song is loud af xd i dont really have any problems hearing stuff :o are you talking about a 10% raise in volume?

HAVOC
  • 00:15:488 (3,4,5,6) - I don't really understand the spacing here since it gives emphasis to the offbeats, why not ctrl-g (4,5,6)?
  • 00:25:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - When I was having my first look on this map with HT this seemed off to me since autostacking makes (2) not stack on 00:24:631 (8) etc, and when you're setting up a pentagon so nicely it's rather notably when it gets crooked, so I'm suggesting to move the stacks at least 4x4 pixels, bc then the centre of the triplet is stacking on it (I didn't notice that anywhere else though, only here, and I didn't even recognize that it was due to autostacking; just saying this bc I'm not just randomly nazi'ing ^^)
  • 00:35:774 (8,1) - I feel like this would have a cooler effect when stacked tbh, since there's already that special beat on 00:36:060
    Would probably also make 00:36:560 (1,2) easier to read since it's closer i'd like for this to stay unstacked, partially because of consistency throughout the other diffs, and partially because i think the kick/whistle combo/triplet deserves some movement. but i reduced the distance to the following double a little so its not as harsh anymore
  • I don't know how many testplays of people that are at least somewhat proficient in mapping you got, but there are a few patterns where I'd really like someone's opinion on, for example 00:40:631 (4,5,6) which seems extremely irritating to me since it's spaced exactly like 00:38:203 (4,5,6) -, my suggestion would be to space it like this since that indicates that it's something different, but dunno about you. i think both sounds are strong enough to deserve similar spacing and patterning. while the first pattern may also have kicks going on with the drum stuff or whatever the hell that is on 00:38:345 (5,6,7) - . the stopping sounds in the second pattern are louder than the rest and as such i have also spaced them higher
    Another thing that seems bad to play for me and would need testplaying is 00:38:488 (6,7,8,9,10,1) bc the flow seems murderous here, have you got any feedback on this yet? uh ive had 3 testplays from 1k+ people and no one has mentioned this. i can gather a few more though if i must
  • 00:45:203 (1,2) - This continuing the flow of the reverse here feels very underwhelming to me bc of the big interval but small spacing, would work better if (2) were swapped horizontally as it would at least break the flow, and flow would also be harder on 00:46:060 (2,3) since you'd have to turn 180° then, which would emphasize that slider quite nicely imo i dont really see a reason to break flow though? its just 3 kicks and a dragging sound
  • 00:50:345 (1,2,3,4) - Not minding that the spacing of these seems completely overdone to me, I find it weird to have such extremely fast movement here just to forcefully slow down at 00:50:917 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) again even though it's one continuous musical pattern that doesn't get any less intense at (5), I'd make that stream into sliders to and tone them down a bit xd
  • 00:56:060 (1,2) - This feels very underwhelming too, even just ctrl-g'ing (2) would improve it a lot for me, or maybe try something like this?
  • 01:26:203 (4) - This seems out of place rhythmically, would move it to the blue tick after since that's where the unz is at
  • 01:55:203 (1,2,3,4) and 01:56:917 (1,2,3,4) are 1/4s, just as I already mentioned incredibly off lol
    Also I feel like those streams could increase more in spacing than they do know, considering it's the final phrase of such an epic song 01:56:917 (1,2,3,4) plays pretty calm ^^
  • 01:47:488 (6,7) - Again all of those feeling extremely underwhelming, making (6) reverse and then putting a circle somewhere would literally give it more kick xd my plan for this section was for it to be a small breathing part after the kiai and before the then intensifying outro again, which is why it's not as hard or difficult as it could be
  • 01:20:917 (4,5,6,7) - 01:35:488 (3,4,5,6,7) - 01:41:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - those are 1/3 actually uh i think the first one is still 1/4
  • In case you care: 00:17:274 (2) is overmapped (in Infinity too) ik lol
    also like half of this stream, don't really know what that's mapped to 01:32:060 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - call me hearing disabled but if i listen at 100/75 i hear a drumroll

Ok I'm about to go deaf bc of having to check snaps so much, I'll probably come back to have a look at the other diffs too in the next few days, sorry lol ~ sorry ):


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KTGSTER'S GRAVITY
  • 00:24:060 (1,2,3,4) - You made this pattern with 00:23:774 (7,8) in mind but ingame this looks incredibly crappy because those circles aren't visible anymore lol, might as well stack (3) on (7,8) imo - bit wrong on the visible part since you forgot to account for the 300 that last much longer. Stacking 3 on 7,8 loses the emphasis made on the white tick and would look off in comparison from the strange low spacing overall.
  • 00:57:204 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - I heavily dislike this pattern for 3/8-3/8-2/8-rhythms because to me the even-ish spacing suggests that it's 1/3-rhythm, I incredibly hate that because I always have to look at maps using that in the editor after getting 100s at it so I know which one of the rhythms it is - Try coming up with a pattern like HAVOC's that spaces the (3,1)s less please ;_; - changed, comment further if it's still hard to read.
  • 01:13:488 (2,3,4) - I know that theoretically DS is indicating the 1/3 here but do you really think anybody recognizes that at all? Have you gotten testplays on this? - maybe? I increased the spacing, but no promises that would help. Considering the usage of DS in this kiai, I think its generally fine.
  • 01:23:774 (4,5) - overlap !! !!
    Might wanna space things in this whole combo more bc 01:24:346 (8,1,2) looks really messy imo lol - spaced the 8 and 1 instead
  • 01:32:917 (2,3,4) - Yeah there's a piano-note audible on (3) when slowed down but for me this isn't recognizable at all in fullspeed and just plays really weird :/ - changed pattern
  • 01:51:203 (3) - Why are you mapping the white tick here? You ignored it previously and this plays really weird too for me xd - but every white tick was mapped. Changed pattern regardless
  • 01:58:488 (2,3,4) - This is not a straight line if that's what you were going for :^)
  • 00:53:774 (16,1) - waht is NCing
  • 01:17:774 (1,2,3,4) - this already sounds like 1/3 to me - I hear 1/4, the only mistake was the slider which is 1/4 and not 1/3
  • 01:32:417 (7) - Sounds like the beat is emphasizing on (6) really hard but this pretty-much-overmapped circle ruins that for me in the map tbh
  • 01:40:631 (1,2,3,4,5) - and this is the only overmapped stream that I found in the whole map, seems out of place to me tbh - changed pattern


Diff
Code:
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[General]
AudioFilename: HAVOX [NOFX].mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 69060
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.2
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 1
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
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DistanceSpacing: 1.2
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 1.3

[Metadata]
Title:HAVOX
TitleUnicode:HAVOX
Artist:BlackY vs. Yooh
ArtistUnicode:BlackY vs. Yooh
Creator:Timorisu
Version:KTGSTER'S GRAVITY
Source:SOUND VOLTEX III GRAVITY WARS
Tags:sdvx 3 havoc dubstep ktgster leader
BeatmapID:776906
BeatmapSetID:352555

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CircleSize:5
OverallDifficulty:9
ApproachRate:9.4
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01:49:202 (4) - This blanket would look slightly better if you moved this two pixels right and two pixels down w/o grid snap.

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00:12:488 (6) - Looks better if moved to x:376 y:332 to keep it parallel with (4) instead of triangular with 00:11:345 (6) and 00:11:917 (3)
00:23:060 (11,12,13) - This doesn't sound like there should be a triple here; the beat sounds like it ends exactly at (10). Perhaps remove (12,13) and move (11) onto the next white tick?
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Fixed most part of all the things you pointed out, thanks

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osu file format v14

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PreviewTime: 69060
Countdown: 0
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LetterboxInBreaks: 1
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[Editor]
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Title:HAVOX
TitleUnicode:HAVOX
Artist:BlackY vs. Yooh
ArtistUnicode:BlackY vs. Yooh
Creator:Timorisu
Version:LEADER'S MASTER
Source:SOUND VOLTEX III GRAVITY WARS
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F1r3tar: Didn't fix the stuff in Infinite because like... idk I prefer the triangle and I hear triple sounds /shrug
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No kudosu yet.
ayy finally done with the rest lol


@Leader: Could you give me a reason for the few points that you denied though? :(


a small reply to some of your replies :^)
Timorisu wrote:
  • (general:) I can't hear the hitsounds at all at many places, basically all the noisy Kiai-parts where a clickable filler-note has only soft-hitnormal and nothing else, I can barely hear those when turning music-volume to 25%, try doing something different at those places or just turn the general volume up bc this song is loud af xd i dont really have any problems hearing stuff :o are you talking about a 10% raise in volume? mh yeah that would definitely help, but after asking a few others it seems like I tend to be exaggerating so only do it if it makes sense to you too ^^
  • 00:35:774 (8,1) - I feel like this would have a cooler effect when stacked tbh, since there's already that special beat on 00:36:060
    Would probably also make 00:36:560 (1,2) easier to read since it's closer i'd like for this to stay unstacked, partially because of consistency throughout the other diffs, and partially because i think the kick/whistle combo/triplet deserves some movement. but i reduced the distance to the following double a little so its not as harsh anymore well to me the problem is that the beat is the same at the tail of (8) and at (1), but it's only clickable once which seems rather imbalanced, so I suggested stacking since that already influences how the player at behaves at the tail of (8) too as it creates tension; but while looking at some lwoer diff rn I came up with the suggestion of letting (8) reverse there as that treats them equally too and since there aren't any other 1/1-reverses nearby it would make it stick out, how about that? ^^
  • Another thing that seems bad to play for me and would need testplaying is 00:38:488 (6,7,8,9,10,1) bc the flow seems murderous here, have you got any feedback on this yet? uh ive had 3 testplays from 1k+ people and no one has mentioned this. i can gather a few more though if i must just informing you that I asked somebody and they were surprised but it actually didn't play bad so yay ^^
  • 01:47:488 (6,7) - Again all of those feeling extremely underwhelming, making (6) reverse and then putting a circle somewhere would literally give it more kick xd my plan for this section was for it to be a small breathing part after the kiai and before the then intensifying outro again, which is why it's not as hard or difficult as it could be actually to me it's not so much about difficulty but about rhythm: 01:47:488 - 01:47:679 - 01:47:869 are rhythmically equal while 01:48:060 is the major downbeat and is thus naturally much more intense than the three previous beats musically, my suggestion of making it reverse+circle is in no way more difficult than that, if anything it's easier as there is a longer break from clicking, but it would give more appropriate emphasis from a rhytmic perspective
  • 01:20:917 (4,5,6,7) - 01:35:488 (3,4,5,6,7) - 01:41:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - those are 1/3 actually uh i think the first one is still 1/4 still 1/3 to me, especially on 50%, and this melody plays 1/3 in the rest of the section too so I think that's logical
  • In case you care: 00:17:274 (2) is overmapped (in Infinity too) ik lol *sadface*
    also like half of this stream, don't really know what that's mapped to 01:32:060 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - call me hearing disabled but if i listen at 100/75 i hear a drumroll I don't, sounds definitely like this to me o: but I can ask others if you want me to ^^ (ktgster seems to agree in his diff tho ^^)



GENERAL AGAIN BC I DIDN'T NOTICE IT LAST TIME
  • 01:46:345 - The timing signature should be 6/4 from here on and going back to 4/4 at 01:58:916 lul
  • I don't really know all those rhythm games but is there like a list of the diffname-progressing somewhere? bc it seems a bit weird to me to have the first seven diffs sound rather easy and then jumping from ADVANCED to EXHAUST (especially since Advanced is used in osu! for diffs between Normals and Hards), like, isn't there for example HYPER being left out (which would be used as equivalent to or slightly harder than Hard in osu!)? Might as well be from a different game but I'm just saying that it seems rather unusual to me so I'd like to see some sort of 'source' for that ^^

STARTER
  • I've asked other nominators too and we all agreed that this diff is rather unnecessary, the lack of special bigger rhythmic elements in the song/map and the repetition of slidershapes throughout all of the map makes it rather boring and not especially related to the song, BEGINNER is still a very beginner-friendly diff (duh) so I see no reason for this diff to exist at all tbh (also 'starter' and 'beginner' seem synonymous to me lol)

BEGINNER
  • I feel a lack of differentiation at 00:28:060 (2,4) - 00:32:631 (2,4) and expecially at 00:43:488 (3,2) as there are completely different sounds on those two sliders, or they are even in completely different sections of the song, but mapped exactly the same, which seems quite monotonous to me
  • 01:18:345 - You don't leave a 4/1-gap anywhere else in the Kiai, why here? circle would fit great imo
  • 01:41:774 (5) - Introducing the first 1/1-slider here but then going to a spinner right afterwards seems quite random to me, would make more sense to already start the spinner here imo
  • 01:46:345 (1,2,3,4,1) - I feel like these could all use one circle between them, the 1/1-sliders a much higher density which is immediately broken by 4/1-gaps, seems imbalanced and I think this being the last climax of the song would definitely deserve the higher density
  • 01:58:345 (1,2) - I'd suggest switching NCing to follow the 'delayed' downbeat in the song here, would be a nice effect imo
    also applies to many higher diffs, at the very high diffs you might also just NC both~

BASIC
  • 00:10:345 (2) - suggesting NC here bc why not (same for NOVICE)
    also 01:01:774 (7) -
  • 00:17:203 (5) - also suggesting NC here to represent the thrown-in 2/4-measure in the song
  • 00:27:488 (1,2,3) - this is uneven !! also 00:30:631 (4,1) - is really huge
  • 00:36:060 (5) - would be cool to differentiate these two beats from the rest a bit, rn it's literally the same as 00:36:631 (1) so I'd suggest just making it two circles (same for NOVICE)
  • 00:40:631 - this gap seems really weird, would suggesting placing a circle here OR letting the slider reverse once so it's like at 01:18:345 -
    actually I mean you're using quite a few 1/2-reverse-sliders towards the end, so I think you could also just place 1/3-reverse-sliders at these two places?
    this gap-thing applies to NOVICE too again xd even with an extra-gap at 01:36:345 (3,1) - lol
  • on the other hand I'd suggest deleting 00:45:488 (3) to differentiate from 00:45:774 (1,2) and thus giving them more of their imo deserved emphasis
  • 00:54:345 (4) - this really fucks up your NCing and I don't see much reason for that, how about this? And independent from that I suggest further fixing your NCing by NCing at 00:57:203 and 01:00:060 instead of 00:58:345 -
  • Also I'd advise you to clean up all the minor spacing-inconsistencies a bit, like, often there is a small difference a pattern that makes a followpoint appear between one pair of objects but not appear between the next pair, or stuff like 01:24:917 (4,5,6) looks rather imbalanced, also very different compared with 01:23:774 (2,3,4) -, stuff like that could be polished throughout the whole map
  • 01:39:774 - This gap seems random
  • ah, hitsounding-suggestion: maybe put a whistle on the body of 00:46:345 (3) -? since you did that at a few other places too
  • also NC at 01:42:060 (4) - ?
    also NCing 01:54:917 (2,3) would seem cool imo and not make it so imbalanced

NOVICE
  • 00:33:774 (3) - ehh I'd rather NC here instead of not NCing at all, it doesn't seem awkward since there's a special sound supporting it imo (even tho that sound appeared previously too lol w/e)
  • 00:57:203 (4) - NC pl0x
    yae

AMATEUR
INTERMEDIATE
  • uuuuuhm the first few sections are the exact same as AMATEUR, dunno what happened here but tell me when it's fixed lol
    I mean the SR has a huge gap to ADVANCED so I hope fixing this diff will fix that gap, otherwise I strongly recommend nerfing 01:43:488 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) in ADVANCED as that seems really hard coming from a diff with zero 1/4s, that pattern spikes the SR of that diff by 0,4* so actually please nerf that anyways since that is a pretty big imbalance lol

ADVANCED
EXHAUSTed is what I am rn (☞゚∀゚)☞
  • 00:12:631 (1,2,3,4) - missing the differentiation here as the strings double their notes, you differentiated at 00:10:345 (1,2,3,4,5,6) and 00:15:203 (1,2,3) too so why not here?
  • 00:16:631 (6,2) - hello autostack my old friend
  • 00:51:488 (1,2,3,4) - This most likely leads to sliderbreaks as (3,4) need the player to stay notably longer on that slider than (1,2) which isn't predictable at all, how about removing the second reverses from (3,4)?
  • 00:57:203 (3) - 01:00:060 (5) - NCs, please
  • 01:09:203 (4,1) - this auto-stacks exactly into the direction of the sliderbody making (1) completely invisible, maybe stack it manually into the opposite direction?
  • 01:30:631 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - this looks rather ugly since I can't spot any pattern here (looks like you ran out of playfield lol), but I'm actually pointing it out bc making 1/2- and 3/4-gap look the same is rather misleading, most of the times 3/4-gaps are rather spaced like 1/1s since the second of those beats is the more prominent one, so I recommend raising that in some way
  • 01:41:203 (3,4,5,6,7) - this is definitely 1/3
  • 01:46:631 - uhm this section is just copypasted from/into INFINITE and HAVOC, please don't do that lol

INFINITE
oke that's it for now I guess lol
generally I feel like you could've saved yourself quite some work by making the diff-gaps a bit higher, going through all of these diffs in one session rn made it seem like most of them are just a slight variation of the previous one isntead of really a new diff as there are so many patterns recurring in some diffs just with slightly higher spacing or smth like that, but oke, kudos to you for going through all that work lol
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@Leader: Could you give me a reason for the few points that you denied though? :(

Sorry! I had little time when I fixed so I will post now
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LEADER'S MASTER
  • 00:12:917 (2,3) - uhh did you do this anywhere else? seems out of place to me, stopping all the motion :( I know I did this only once through the whole map but it works fine! I don't think it stops all the motion, it even emphasizes the sound in 00:12:917 - and doesn't have anything bad
  • 00:20:917 (2,3) - ctrl-g'ing these plays much better for me bc sharp angles n stuff
  • 00:45:203 (5,1) - wth, it's completely unnoticable at full speed that this low echo-ish sound is a bit delayed whereas the strong beat is clearly on the white tick, I don't think this plays well for anyone lol
  • 00:52:631 (1) - Doesn't make much sense to me put such a strong beat that you even hitsound accordingly on a tail,a slo for differentiation purposes with 00:52:917 (2) -, why not make it two circles? Same at 01:11:774 (4) - 01:16:345 (4) - 01:39:203 (4) - I didn't apply this on the last two timestamps since I believe they are fine as it is now, can't feel a stronger beat than the previous two
  • 01:10:631 (6,1) - This doesn't give (6) much emphasis at all due to the smooth flow but it would deserve emphasis very well imo :( Same at 01:19:774 (4,1) - 01:20:345 (2,3) - I don't really have a problem with it, I believe they are emphasized enough and doesn't need any further fix
  • 01:12:488 (2) - Why do you emphasize the red tick above the white tick here? I don't hear anything special on it For rhythm variation's sake, I guess
  • 01:24:631 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 01:27:488 (1,2,1,2) - 01:41:203 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Those are actually 1/3
  • 01:31:203 (4,1) - I can't hear anything special on the tail of (4) warranting this rhythm and hitsounding, why not just extend it to (1)? Two 3/4 sliders in a row are quite boring and annoying to play, I used two different patterns to make it prettier to play
  • 01:35:964 (5) - why would you put the downbeat on a tail like that ;_; btw you could map beautiful 1/3s at 01:35:488 (3,4,5) -, seems rather dull rn


I fixed something that I forgot, here you go Timo
Code:
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Bonsai wrote:
ayy finally done with the rest lol


@Leader: Could you give me a reason for the few points that you denied though? :(


a small reply to some of your replies :^)
Timorisu wrote:
  • (general:) I can't hear the hitsounds at all at many places, basically all the noisy Kiai-parts where a clickable filler-note has only soft-hitnormal and nothing else, I can barely hear those when turning music-volume to 25%, try doing something different at those places or just turn the general volume up bc this song is loud af xd i dont really have any problems hearing stuff :o are you talking about a 10% raise in volume? mh yeah that would definitely help, but after asking a few others it seems like I tend to be exaggerating so only do it if it makes sense to you too ^^
  • 00:35:774 (8,1) - I feel like this would have a cooler effect when stacked tbh, since there's already that special beat on 00:36:060
    Would probably also make 00:36:560 (1,2) easier to read since it's closer i'd like for this to stay unstacked, partially because of consistency throughout the other diffs, and partially because i think the kick/whistle combo/triplet deserves some movement. but i reduced the distance to the following double a little so its not as harsh anymore well to me the problem is that the beat is the same at the tail of (8) and at (1), but it's only clickable once which seems rather imbalanced, so I suggested stacking since that already influences how the player at behaves at the tail of (8) too as it creates tension; but while looking at some lwoer diff rn I came up with the suggestion of letting (8) reverse there as that treats them equally too and since there aren't any other 1/1-reverses nearby it would make it stick out, how about that? ^^
  • Another thing that seems bad to play for me and would need testplaying is 00:38:488 (6,7,8,9,10,1) bc the flow seems murderous here, have you got any feedback on this yet? uh ive had 3 testplays from 1k+ people and no one has mentioned this. i can gather a few more though if i must just informing you that I asked somebody and they were surprised but it actually didn't play bad so yay ^^
  • 01:47:488 (6,7) - Again all of those feeling extremely underwhelming, making (6) reverse and then putting a circle somewhere would literally give it more kick xd my plan for this section was for it to be a small breathing part after the kiai and before the then intensifying outro again, which is why it's not as hard or difficult as it could be actually to me it's not so much about difficulty but about rhythm: 01:47:488 - 01:47:679 - 01:47:869 are rhythmically equal while 01:48:060 is the major downbeat and is thus naturally much more intense than the three previous beats musically, my suggestion of making it reverse+circle is in no way more difficult than that, if anything it's easier as there is a longer break from clicking, but it would give more appropriate emphasis from a rhytmic perspective ya ok fixed
  • 01:20:917 (4,5,6,7) - 01:35:488 (3,4,5,6,7) - 01:41:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - those are 1/3 actually uh i think the first one is still 1/4 still 1/3 to me, especially on 50%, and this melody plays 1/3 in the rest of the section too so I think that's logical
  • In case you care: 00:17:274 (2) is overmapped (in Infinity too) ik lol *sadface*
    also like half of this stream, don't really know what that's mapped to 01:32:060 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - call me hearing disabled but if i listen at 100/75 i hear a drumroll I don't, sounds definitely like this to me o: but I can ask others if you want me to ^^ (ktgster seems to agree in his diff tho ^^)



GENERAL AGAIN BC I DIDN'T NOTICE IT LAST TIME
  • 01:46:345 - The timing signature should be 6/4 from here on and going back to 4/4 at 01:58:916 lul
  • I don't really know all those rhythm games but is there like a list of the diffname-progressing somewhere? bc it seems a bit weird to me to have the first seven diffs sound rather easy and then jumping from ADVANCED to EXHAUST (especially since Advanced is used in osu! for diffs between Normals and Hards), like, isn't there for example HYPER being left out (which would be used as equivalent to or slightly harder than Hard in osu!)? Might as well be from a different game but I'm just saying that it seems rather unusual to me so I'd like to see some sort of 'source' for that ^^ Idk if there's a set progression to be honest, I just used https://osu.ppy.sh/b/425449 as a guideline for the diffs in this set and asked for suggestions for the inbetween stuff like AMATEUR in modhelp

STARTER
  • I've asked other nominators too and we all agreed that this diff is rather unnecessary, the lack of special bigger rhythmic elements in the song/map and the repetition of slidershapes throughout all of the map makes it rather boring and not especially related to the song, BEGINNER is still a very beginner-friendly diff (duh) so I see no reason for this diff to exist at all tbh (also 'starter' and 'beginner' seem synonymous to me lol) I watched 3 livestreams of people who had a fresh install of this game and were overwhelmed by the Easy diffs of the packaged mapsets, so I thought why not make an easier diff for completely new players, as there is always a chance that a new player will be downloading your map and play the easiest diff... hopefully. Also https://osu.ppy.sh/b/741477&m=0 lol

BEGINNER
  • I feel a lack of differentiation at 00:28:060 (2,4) - 00:32:631 (2,4) and expecially at 00:43:488 (3,2) as there are completely different sounds on those two sliders, or they are even in completely different sections of the song, but mapped exactly the same, which seems quite monotonous to me
  • 01:18:345 - You don't leave a 4/1-gap anywhere else in the Kiai, why here? circle would fit great imo
  • 01:41:774 (5) - Introducing the first 1/1-slider here but then going to a spinner right afterwards seems quite random to me, would make more sense to already start the spinner here imo
  • 01:46:345 (1,2,3,4,1) - I feel like these could all use one circle between them, the 1/1-sliders a much higher density which is immediately broken by 4/1-gaps, seems imbalanced and I think this being the last climax of the song would definitely deserve the higher density As I said before, I'd like for this section to be a breather section after the kiai, and that is in every diff. I also think that using 2/1 clicks here, which I only used on relatively intense beats in this diff, as it is an introductory diff, wouldn't go quite well with the in-diff progression and wouldn't fit the rest of the 2/1 clicks. This diff starts out with 4/1 clicks in a relatively intense section, and I don't think it should end with 2/1 clicks in a less intense one.
  • 01:58:345 (1,2) - I'd suggest switching NCing to follow the 'delayed' downbeat in the song here, would be a nice effect imo
    also applies to many higher diffs, at the very high diffs you might also just NC both~ I wouldn't like for 01:56:631 (3,1) - to be the same colours since they're very audibly different sections, but I also don't feel like having to NC both circles here (even if it's not a higher diff as you stated)... idk

BASIC
  • 00:10:345 (2) - suggesting NC here bc why not (same for NOVICE)
    also 01:01:774 (7) -
  • 00:17:203 (5) - also suggesting NC here to represent the thrown-in 2/4-measure in the song
  • 00:27:488 (1,2,3) - this is uneven !! AAAAA fixed also 00:30:631 (4,1) - is really huge wut
  • 00:36:060 (5) - would be cool to differentiate these two beats from the rest a bit, rn it's literally the same as 00:36:631 (1) so I'd suggest just making it two circles (same for NOVICE)
  • 00:40:631 - this gap seems really weird, would suggesting placing a circle here OR letting the slider reverse once so it's like at 01:18:345 -
    actually I mean you're using quite a few 1/2-reverse-sliders towards the end, so I think you could also just place 1/3-reverse-sliders at these two places?
    this gap-thing applies to NOVICE too again xd even with an extra-gap at 01:36:345 (3,1) - lol
  • on the other hand I'd suggest deleting 00:45:488 (3) to differentiate from 00:45:774 (1,2) and thus giving them more of their imo deserved emphasis
  • 00:54:345 (4) - this really fucks up your NCing and I don't see much reason for that, how about this? And independent from that I suggest further fixing your NCing by NCing at 00:57:203 and 01:00:060 instead of 00:58:345 - Did some funky NC stuff here idk if you'll be pleased tho lol
  • Also I'd advise you to clean up all the minor spacing-inconsistencies a bit, like, often there is a small difference a pattern that makes a followpoint appear between one pair of objects but not appear between the next pair, or stuff like 01:24:917 (4,5,6) looks rather imbalanced, also very different compared with 01:23:774 (2,3,4) -, stuff like that could be polished throughout the whole map
  • 01:39:774 - This gap seems random I'm mapping the high pitched whatever-that-is in this section, so I don't think it's necessary to put a circle on a much less audible kick here
  • ah, hitsounding-suggestion: maybe put a whistle on the body of 00:46:345 (3) -? since you did that at a few other places too
  • also NC at 01:42:060 (4) - ?
    also NCing 01:54:917 (2,3) would seem cool imo and not make it so imbalanced

NOVICE
  • 00:33:774 (3) - ehh I'd rather NC here instead of not NCing at all, it doesn't seem awkward since there's a special sound supporting it imo (even tho that sound appeared previously too lol w/e)
  • 00:57:203 (4) - NC pl0x
    yae

AMATEUR
  • 00:13:203 (2,3,4) - nghngh the spacing looks really imbalanced again, I mean since most of your style for these diffs is extremely based on neat blankets everywhere I feel like it's justified to expect a higher level of polish for all of it, at this scale of spacing stuff like 00:16:631 (7,8,1) is rather easily noticable, or stuff like 00:18:917 (2,3,4) where the after-hit-approachcircle of (2) completely overlaps with the tail of (3) but has a gap to most of (4), same at 00:20:917 (2,3,4) and for example the space between the sliderbodies is slightly growing at 00:25:203 (1,2,3,4) which doesn't seem intentional either, or the slight overlap at 01:14:917 (2,3) - or 01:36:345 (2,3,4) - etc etc.. it seems like for some of those the reason is that you're mapping with GridSnap on, and together with other minor unthoughtfulness that makes a lot of your patterns look very imbalanced and impacts the overall visual appearance
  • 00:26:345 (5) - suggesting NC
  • 00:35:774 (5,1) - the beat at 00:36:060 being passive while the following one is active seems weird, how about just letting (5) reverse? There are no other 1/1-reverse-sliders around here so that would make it stick out quite well
  • 00:59:488 (7,1) - would swap NC
  • 01:13:774 (3,4) - 01:18:345 (5,6) - etc: {insert the point that I re-responded to in the HAVOC-quote which applies to pretty much all diffs from now on}The problem with these patterns in the lower diff is that fixing this by putting a repeat and a circle there is nearly impossible without breaking either the flow or the distance snap (as far as required), which is why I am keeping these patterns as they are. Besides, I don't think there's too much variation going on in here that would really warrant a repeat/circle every time...

INTERMEDIATE
  • uuuuuhm the first few sections are the exact same as AMATEUR, dunno what happened here but tell me when it's fixed lol
    I mean the SR has a huge gap to ADVANCED so I hope fixing this diff will fix that gap, otherwise I strongly recommend nerfing 01:43:488 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) in ADVANCED as that seems really hard coming from a diff with zero 1/4s, that pattern spikes the SR of that diff by 0,4* so actually please nerf that anyways since that is a pretty big imbalance lol

ADVANCED
EXHAUSTed is what I am rn (☞゚∀゚)☞
  • 00:12:631 (1,2,3,4) - missing the differentiation here as the strings double their notes, you differentiated at 00:10:345 (1,2,3,4,5,6) and 00:15:203 (1,2,3) too so why not here?
  • 00:16:631 (6,2) - hello autostack my old friend
  • 00:51:488 (1,2,3,4) - This most likely leads to sliderbreaks as (3,4) need the player to stay notably longer on that slider than (1,2) which isn't predictable at all, how about removing the second reverses from (3,4)?
  • 00:57:203 (3) - 01:00:060 (5) - NCs, please
  • 01:09:203 (4,1) - this auto-stacks exactly into the direction of the sliderbody making (1) completely invisible, maybe stack it manually into the opposite direction?
  • 01:30:631 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - this looks rather ugly since I can't spot any pattern here (looks like you ran out of playfield lol), but I'm actually pointing it out bc making 1/2- and 3/4-gap look the same is rather misleading, most of the times 3/4-gaps are rather spaced like 1/1s since the second of those beats is the more prominent one, so I recommend raising that in some way It's a star pattern :( Also I thought you were going to suggest lowering the spacing, I'm definitely not raising this at all, lol. That'd be even more confusing
  • 01:41:203 (3,4,5,6,7) - this is definitely 1/3
  • 01:46:631 - uhm this section is just copypasted from/into INFINITE and HAVOC, please don't do that lol Another time lol

INFINITE
oke that's it for now I guess lol
generally I feel like you could've saved yourself quite some work by making the diff-gaps a bit higher, going through all of these diffs in one session rn made it seem like most of them are just a slight variation of the previous one isntead of really a new diff as there are so many patterns recurring in some diffs just with slightly higher spacing or smth like that, but oke, kudos to you for going through all that work lol The thing is, I wouldn't look at SR for this set. My goal was to make a steady progression from 4/1 to 1/4. You'll notice that the first diff is full of 4/1, the next diff is full of 2/1, the following diff is full of 1/1, the next diff is full of 1/2, etc. etc.. I tried introducing new pacing and elements with each diff, and I don't feel that the current star rating system truthfully represents this progression.


AAAAA cool mod

For now I only changed the section after the kiai in HAVOC since I'd like for you to take a look at the way I did it. I don't know if you'd agree much with the circle placement of 01:47:488 (6,7,1) - . I was debating placing it on the was-there sliderhead or sliderend and chose the sliderend, but I'm still not sure if I should rather place 01:48:060 (7) - on 01:46:917 (2) - 's sliderhead.
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oh jesus everyone here is contributing so much im just an osu baby boy

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01:00:917 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This looks really cool in editor, but as a lot of tension is building up and the DS didn't change it feels really boring to play at this part

00:53:774 (6) - Some potential fun being left out from the kick drum here, esp since attention is being brought to it at 00:52:631 (1),

Around that time aswell there's room for playing around with a shift in timing points, (but that's not important :oops: )

00:54:917 (1,2,3) - Can't really tell what you're mapping to for these three beats and it feels really metronome-y

Not modding this part 01:23:488 (1) - 01:30:345 (1) because it's fine but just wanted to say it's really nice

01:44:917 (5) - this blank after the slider is unnecessary, and you could follow the melody into the replicate of it

No kds bc short mod
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Blukerbeh wrote:
oh jesus everyone here is contributing so much im just an osu baby boy

dw that's just me lol
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oh, is this set alive?

where are there still diffs that are copypasting each other, hnng
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I want to see whether or not it's possible to advance this set as is (which, to be honest, I think it's more than ready to), but if it's not I'll end up remapping some stuff. But that could only happen in a short timespan a month from now as I'm extremely busy with upcoming exams and then finals a few weeks/months later.
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I've been waiting the past five months for you to get rid of the copypasted sections across several diffs ( = the whole first 30 seconds in Intermediate/Amateur, and everything from 01:46:631 on in your three highest diffs), as soon as you do that I can place the bubble 8-)
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Last time we spoke the easiest diff was the issue as you didn't deem it fit for the song and I was very adamant about not removing it... Anyways no time for mapping right now so uh yeah
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