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SHINDEHAI - Le Grand Medley de Shindehai [Taiko]

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Yuzeyun
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on dimanche 15 mai 2016 at 14:02:36

Artist: SHINDEHAI
Title: Le Grand Medley de Shindehai
Source: Tai Reflections
Tags: TRW13 TR42 One-Punch Man ...THE AQUA-HAIRED GIRL PIOFUTAC Pourquoi Ils Ont Fait Un Truc Aussi Chiant Shingeki no Kyojin Attack on Titan 3rd third op TPP TwitchPlaysPokemon Twitch Plays Pokemon Forget-Me-Not Le Hentai y'a que ça de vrai La danse des internets SNCF Epic Pixel Battle EPB04 EPB 04 L Professeur Layton Eddy Malou CAPSULE Dans Mon Monde Tai Wuang
BPM: 200
Filesize: 9113kb
Play Time: 05:25
Difficulties Available:
  1. Inner Oni (5,35 stars, 2411 notes)
Download: SHINDEHAI - Le Grand Medley de Shindehai
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——Mapset——
Inner Oni by me.

——Credits——
Of course, Tai Wuang –Shindehai– for the song!
Also, additional thanks to FluffySyko for the background image; be sure to check out his deviantArt page as well as his Facebook page.
tasuke912
Hi Gezo! <3 from my queue.
[ General]
  1. convert mp3 to 192kbps.
  2. Remove the check of Letterbox and Countdown.
  3. I think hitsound is too large.
[ Inner Oni]
  1. 01:14:200 (20,21) ctrl+G (kd) I think it fit to drum better.
  2. 01:29:050 Why don't you follow bass? Try this.
  3. 01:37:150 (159,160) unified to 1/3 is better.
  4. 02:58:900 (152) move to 02:58:450. follow the drum and for little break. and I think it is good to add Finish to 02:58:750.
  5. 04:16:900 (158,159) unified to 1/3 is better, too.
  6. 04:25:900 (32) This note is not needed because it doesn't sound here.
  7. 04:31:600 (15) move to 04:31:375. more fit?
  8. 04:33:475 (19,20,21) move to 04:33:400 ^
  9. 04:34:450 (23) delete.
Good luck. 8-)
Topic Starter
Yuzeyun

tasuke912 wrote:

Hi Gezo! <3 from my queue.
general all fixed

[ Inner Oni]
  1. 01:14:200 (20,21) ctrl+G (kd) I think it fit to drum better. applied k on 22 as well following that logic
  2. 01:29:050 Why don't you follow bass? Try this.
    took a different pattern but similar ideas
  3. 01:37:150 (159,160) unified to 1/3 is better. it's actually 1/2!
  4. 04:16:900 (158,159) unified to 1/3 is better, too. this one is a bit weird to tell, 1/4 appears to be more correct here.
  5. 04:34:450 (23) delete. changed to d, quiet hat behind
Good luck. 8-)
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Hanjamon
yup Gezo

  • d=Don
    D=Big Don
    k=Katsu
    K=Big Katsu
[General]

  • Uncheck ''Enable countdown'' and ''Letterbox during breaks'' i think you forgot xD
[Inner Oni]

  • 00:08:475 (53) - maybe move this note to 00:08:450 - and move 00:08:550 (54) - to 00:08:500 - for make a 1/6 kkk? i think fits good imo
    01:09:900 - rip map of twitchplayspokemon :c
    02:16:200 (128) - maybe change this note or 02:16:650 (133) - to d? (kkddk kkddd or kkddd kkddk) because these two 5plets sounds a bit different so changing one of these notes will fit better imo
    03:17:250 - i think these kind of streams are uncommon but i like and plays well :3
    04:16:400 (153) - change to k? the drums starts at 04:16:500 - and sounds better imo
    05:11:550 (137) - how about move this note to 05:12:000 - and change to d? i feel more consistent imo
I can't suggest more, i like and is fun to play, good luck! ^^
Topic Starter
Yuzeyun

Hanjamon wrote:

yup Gezo

  • d=Don
    D=Big Don
    k=Katsu
    K=Big Katsu
[General]

  • Uncheck ''Enable countdown'' and ''Letterbox during breaks'' i think you forgot xD
[Inner Oni]

  • 00:08:475 (53) - maybe move this note to 00:08:450 - and move 00:08:550 (54) - to 00:08:500 - for make a 1/6 kkk? i think fits good imo Actually it's closer to 1/4.
    01:09:900 - rip map of twitchplayspokemon :c well it's a modified version of Helix Oni :DD
    02:16:200 (128) - maybe change this note or 02:16:650 (133) - to d? (kkddk kkddd or kkddd kkddk) because these two 5plets sounds a bit different so changing one of these notes will fit better imo 133 and 134 inverted
    03:17:250 - i think these kind of streams are uncommon but i like and plays well :3 kkk kkd kkk kkd
    04:16:400 (153) - change to k? the drums starts at 04:16:500 - and sounds better imo 152 changed as well.
    05:11:550 (137) - how about move this note to 05:12:000 - and change to d? i feel more consistent imo ハイ
I can't suggest more, i like and is fun to play, good luck! ^^
Nofool
/late sry
partiels fini yeee

Bonne map mais y'a deux trucs généraux qui sont bizarre ou dommage :
T'aurais pu jouer beaucoup plus sur les finishers imo et la première moitié de la map parait un peu overmapped comparé à la deuxième qui a beaucoup plus de break (lié à la musique mby j'ai pas fait hyper attention), pour ça que j'ai beaucoup moins de suggestions sur la deuxième partie tho.

[Inner Oni]
- ptite suggestion pour le début histoire de suivre légèrement plus la mélodie et changer la répétition du dkdkkdk : - 00:01:350 (9) - d, - 00:03:750 (23) - d, - 00:03:900 (24) - remove, - 00:06:450 (39) - d. - 00:08:400 (52,53,54) - j'verrais bien un dkk 1/6 ici moi.
- 00:13:350 (73) - d ? ^.
- 00:14:700 (82) - rip finisher. (masse de finisher possible dodged sur cette partie :c)
- 00:26:700 - d d kdd à la place de ddk ddd ? mélodie.
- 00:31:650 (22) - k ? ^.
- 00:36:900 (65) - remove ? idk ça sonne mieux sans rien ici, et ça permet de préparer le plus long pattern qui suit ?_?
- 00:41:250 (105) - k ?
- 00:46:200 (152) - ^, drums celui-là.
- 00:57:075 (87,88) - l'un des deux en k ? parait plus cool à jouer.
- 01:21:000 (52) - k, + d à - 01:21:150 - et remove - 01:21:300 (53) - ? (+mby change un des 2 d qui suivent en k) idk ça fait bizarre de dodge la mélodie ici.
- déplaces - 01:27:300 (94) - à - 01:27:150 - ? ^.
- 01:37:000 (156,157) - mm idk si ils sont vraiment nécessaires ici.
- 01:46:350 - ddd ddk au lieu de ddk dkd ? mélodie.
- 02:21:900 - mm il est pas hyper justifié ce pattern imo, + ça pourrait être worth de mettre une pause ici, aka mettre juste d d en 1/2 à - 02:22:050 - ?
- 02:30:300 (80,81) - remove ? ^.
- 03:17:925 (174) - d, - 03:18:450 (181,182) - dd, - 03:18:675 (184) - k ? parait plus simple à jouer mais ça colle plus à la song là imo.
- 04:04:350 - ddd ddk d au lieu de ddddd kkd ici ? pour bien montrer la différence avec les kkd qui suivent.
- 04:06:300 - k d kkd au lieu de kdddkkd ? idk le pattern actuel fait trop.
- 05:08:850 - mm le pattern reflete rien tel quel imo, test un truc genre ça ? :

ça suit au moins les drums.
- 05:20:700 (8,9,10,11) - wtf ces 4 là sonnent offbeat õ_o, genre en retard.
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Gl'
Topic Starter
Yuzeyun

Nofool wrote:

/late sry
partiels fini yeee

Bonne map mais y'a deux trucs généraux qui sont bizarre ou dommage :
T'aurais pu jouer beaucoup plus sur les finishers imo et la première moitié de la map parait un peu overmapped comparé à la deuxième qui a beaucoup plus de break (lié à la musique mby j'ai pas fait hyper attention oui c'est la musique, à la fin c'est beaucoup plus calme que le reste - 03:38:700 - et après mis à part les 2 kiai c'est super calme), pour ça que j'ai beaucoup moins de suggestions sur la deuxième partie tho.

[Inner Oni]
- ptite suggestion pour le début histoire de suivre légèrement plus la mélodie et changer la répétition du dkdkkdk : - 00:01:350 (9) - d, - 00:03:750 (23) - d, - 00:03:900 (24) - remove, - 00:06:450 (39) - d. - 00:08:400 (52,53,54) - j'verrais bien un dkk 1/6 ici moi. tout pris sauf le 1/6 car comme j'ai dit avant c'est 1/4. y'a juste une note qui est quasi en même temps que 51
- 00:13:350 (73) - d ? ^. je préfère le garder sinon ça risque de répéter le dkdkkdd.
- 00:14:700 (82) - rip finisher. (masse de finisher possible dodged sur cette partie :c) y'a le trou à je sais pu où que j'ai pas mis
- 00:26:700 - d d kdd à la place de ddk ddd ? mélodie. pareil mais kkd à la place de kdd
- 00:31:650 (22) - k ? ^. pas de quoi mettre un k ici :V
- 00:36:900 (65) - remove ? idk ça sonne mieux sans rien ici, et ça permet de préparer le plus long pattern qui suit ?_? perso je trouve que ça fait trou maladroit, surtout qu'il y a un break 1/1 qui le suit
- 00:41:250 (105) - k ? je pense que même raisonnement que 22, donc on suivra le même schéma
- 00:46:200 (152) - ^, drums celui-là. j'ai aussi mis sur 153 du coup
- 00:57:075 (87,88) - l'un des deux en k ? parait plus cool à jouer. suivant le 2-1-2... je pense que 91 est un meilleur candidat.
- 01:21:000 (52) - k, + d à - 01:21:150 - et remove - 01:21:300 (53) - ? (+mby change un des 2 d qui suivent en k) idk ça fait bizarre de dodge la mélodie ici. t'aurais pu me dire de bouger 53 là en fait LOL
- déplaces - 01:27:300 (94) - à - 01:27:150 - ? ^. ui
- 01:37:000 (156,157) - mm idk si ils sont vraiment nécessaires ici. euh
- 01:46:350 - ddd ddk au lieu de ddk dkd ? mélodie. jeej
- 02:21:900 - mm il est pas hyper justifié ce pattern imo, + ça pourrait être worth de mettre une pause ici, aka mettre juste d d en 1/2 à - 02:22:050 - ? trou à 02:21:900 - , 02:22:050 (1) - k, pas de 1/4 sur l'ancien 5plet
- 02:30:300 (80,81) - remove ? ^. oui
- 03:17:925 (174) - d, - 03:18:450 (181,182) - dd, - 03:18:675 (184) - k ? parait plus simple à jouer mais ça colle plus à la song là imo. j'ai un truc un peu différent mais dans le même ordre d'idées
- 04:04:350 - ddd ddk d au lieu de ddddd kkd ici ? pour bien montrer la différence avec les kkd qui suivent. ui
- 04:06:300 - k d kkd au lieu de kdddkkd ? idk le pattern actuel fait trop. c'est juste une version coupée d'un stream qui aurait pu être là.
- 05:08:850 - mm le pattern reflete rien tel quel imo, test un truc genre ça ? :

ça suit au moins les drums. k
- 05:20:700 (8,9,10,11) - wtf ces 4 là sonnent offbeat õ_o, genre en retard. j'ai décalé de 1/8 plus tôt ça m'a l'air plus correct. shindehai bordel à c
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Gl'
OnosakiHito
Surprise. I'm here on my own.

I think BG could be moved a bit up, since on the upper edge of the picture there is not much to see.
Try this instead:
0,0,"Medley_BG.png",0,40

  1. 01:22:950 (65,66) - Recommending to use 65 as kat and move 66 to 01:23:250. Resembles the song more.
  2. 01:31:500 (123) - A finisher might be not bad here.
  3. 01:37:000 (156,157,158) - These three notes are redundant. The 1/3 part only goes up to 01:36:900 - , so best would be just to delete them if you ask me.
  4. 01:39:900 - Hm, not sure about this to be honest. Maybe try to use this as kat instead and have the upcoming note as don. Trying to follow that piano, that's all.
  5. 01:43:500 - Actually I'm not sure about this stream. While it does fit in someway, it still feels rather forced than anything else, espeiclaly after playing the first part of the kiai which sounds the same, yet, is differently and more accurately mapped to the song. So yeah, best would be just to split the stream or have something similar you had before.
  6. 02:20:100 - Hm, not sure here. Seems to be an overuse of dons here? How about this pattern instead: http://puu.sh/iXEmN/9cc4ad5e00.jpg ?
  7. 02:20:700 - Some of your streams somehow really don't fit to the song. I mean, that's my opinion, but when listening to it, I rather hear something like this, with the last note as K:
  8. 03:17:250 ~ 03:18:300 - I think you should reconsider this stream again and follow the drums in a more strict way, like for example this. Note: This is just an example to make my point clear. Your current pattern is hard to follow since there is hardly any connection to the song.
  9. 03:45:600 (33,35) - How about using finishers here? Maybe you did it intentionaly, but I do believe they are missing here and fit pretty good, too. Would fit to 03:48:300 (46) - as well.
  10. 03:46:650 - Maybe add a don here. While the pattern works with your previous (similar) one, having a don which follows the drum again might be not bad.
  11. 03:51:300 - Finisher? Same goes for other similar soundings. Won't mention them anymore.

The map is overall actually solid. But there are certain places which go too much against the music or certain soundings. Let's take 02:35:250 - this for example. While you tried to emphasize the triangle with those kats you use, it is still pretty unsignificant since the patterns overall are mapped to 1/4, so those kats rather vanish into the pure mass of notes, which makes it less noticeable as you might intended it to be. In such cases I would rather recommend you to use less 1/4 even though at some places they might fit well, but for the cost of ignoring certain sounds which have a big impact, I would rather reconsider this again.

Makes me come to the next point: Finishers - It's not a must, but to be honest, the song does have potential for some great finishers usage which in most cases has been ignored. While the 1/4 are important in this song, they appear pretty often and make the map feel a little monotonically, even though it might be not mapped in this way. Some kind of resonance to those 1/4 is missing. More finishers for example. This part as another example 02:41:100 to 02:50:700 is one of the more interesting one to me, since it has a mix of 1/4, 1/2 and finisher which is nice. While it is due to the song, something like that can be done for other parts. Maybe little impovisation might be not bad?


Well, that's all from my side for now. As I said, the map itself is solid. But there are just some things which should get some reconsideration.
In short: Sometimes less 1/4 and more finishers. This could help.

That was now some speed modding, huh? 35min for that.
Good luck for now.
Topic Starter
Yuzeyun

OnosakiHito wrote:

Surprise. I'm here on my own.

I think BG could be moved a bit up, since on the upper edge of the picture there is not much to see.
Try this instead:
0,0,"Medley_BG.png",0,40

  1. 01:37:000 (156,157,158) - These three notes are redundant. The 1/3 part only goes up to 01:36:900 - , so best would be just to delete them if you ask me. Deleting them would make an awkward pause to me, the pattern goes in the same direction as the song, adding an additional dk before the piano would be a great addition and link them instead of having them completely separated (and if you ask me, there's 1/3 surrounding 01:37:350 (159) - )
  2. 01:39:900 - Hm, not sure about this to be honest. Maybe try to use this as kat instead and have the upcoming note as don. Trying to follow that piano, that's all. This note is not supposed to piano, inverting these would break k = piano to me
  3. 01:43:500 - Actually I'm not sure about this stream. While it does fit in someway, it still feels rather forced than anything else, espeiclaly after playing the first part of the kiai which sounds the same, yet, is differently and more accurately mapped to the song. So yeah, best would be just to split the stream or have something similar you had before. I sincerely don't know, I feel like this stream has its own identity, and each part is different - splitting it would be making it like the 3rd quarter which is not what I want.
  4. 02:20:100 - Hm, not sure here. Seems to be an overuse of dons here? How about this pattern instead: http://puu.sh/iXEmN/9cc4ad5e00.jpg ? Kept only the triplet and put it as kkd, the rest could stay at all dons since it follows the same scheme.
  5. 02:20:700 - Some of your streams somehow really don't fit to the song. I mean, that's my opinion, but when listening to it, I rather hear something like this, with the last note as K:
    kkdd instead of kddd
  6. 03:17:250 ~ 03:18:300 - I think you should reconsider this stream again and follow the drums in a more strict way, like for example this. Note: This is just an example to make my point clear. Your current pattern is hard to follow since there is hardly any connection to the song. Keeping the current formation, changed the two first notes to don as they are the only ones off the drums. the kkk connects the two snare hits, or that makes it a really uninteresting pattern.
  7. 03:45:600 (33,35) - How about using finishers here? Maybe you did it intentionaly, but I do believe they are missing here and fit pretty good, too. Would fit to 03:48:300 (46) - as well. They are intentional.
  8. 03:51:300 - Finisher? Same goes for other similar soundings. Won't mention them anymore. Same here if you mean until kiai.

The map is overall actually solid. But there are certain places which go too much against the music or certain soundings. Let's take 02:35:250 - this for example. While you tried to emphasize the triangle with those kats you use, it is still pretty unsignificant since the patterns overall are mapped to 1/4, so those kats rather vanish into the pure mass of notes, which makes it less noticeable as you might intended it to be. In such cases I would rather recommend you to use less 1/4 even though at some places they might fit well, but for the cost of ignoring certain sounds which have a big impact, I would rather reconsider this again.

Makes me come to the next point: Finishers - It's not a must, but to be honest, the song does have potential for some great finishers usage which in most cases has been ignored. While the 1/4 are important in this song, they appear pretty often and make the map feel a little monotonically, even though it might be not mapped in this way. Some kind of resonance to those 1/4 is missing. More finishers for example. This part as another example 02:41:100 to 02:50:700 is one of the more interesting one to me, since it has a mix of 1/4, 1/2 and finisher which is nice. While it is due to the song, something like that can be done for other parts. Maybe little impovisation might be not bad?


Well, that's all from my side for now. As I said, the map itself is solid. But there are just some things which should get some reconsideration.
In short: Sometimes less 1/4 and more finishers. This could help.

That was now some speed modding, huh? 35min for that.
Good luck for now.
rest is under consideration but it's hard to kill many notes
edit: done, 1/4 triplets are not considered 1/4 in this map to me, because they aren't technically streams in this case
tasuke912
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OnosakiHito
01:10:350 - Could add a kat here due to piano. Consistent with 01:13:950 - which is also a 5 plet pattern.
01:05:100 - and 01:07:500 - kinda sad that there are no finishers. Just wanted to mention it.
01:44:625 (221) - Could delete this one since in this way the stretches note at 01:44:550 - would be more emphasized. Afterall, sounds are not to 100% the same with 01:44:100 - and 01:43:650 -
01:48:300 ~ 01:49:650 - I rather hear something like the picture downbelow. kkddk sounds and plays rather forced to me and doesn't follow the that nicely since it doesn't give out these kind of patterns. If you intended to have some kind of improvisation, I do believe it doesn't fit here well since it goes more against the song than with. 01:43:500 - Worked better due to the constallation itself with the dons.

01:52:500 - kat is more reasonable here. That stretched sound starts here, not one note later.
01:53:100 - This part can be accepted I guess. Just wondering if it is good that there is no consistency to the othe parts. lol
02:18:300 (148,149,150,151,152,153,154) - Instead of having an odd stream here, I recommend you splitting it, following more the song, and adding a stream at 02:18:750 which follows the streched note as you did before.
02:31:500 ~ 02:41:100 - While the patterns seem to be okay, maybe reconsidering to follow more the song itself would be appropriated. I have the strong feeling that you are improvising overall, but sometimes it seems to be too forced. More opinions might be needed, huh?
03:00:900 - I have my problems with such patterns which come out of the sudden. You mostly have more or less lineal patterns, and out of the sudden this or 03:03:150 - this appears. It looks random since they have no connection to any other pattern.
04:00:900 - This could work here. But kkkkddk might be more accurate here since you have rather a o o x o sound here, hence the ooooxxo pattern I suggest.

To be honest, I still feel the same like before. Maybe we should ask more modders before we do any further move by my side. I still think some places can be refined. Some of them go kinda against the song. Others just seem to be inconsistent since patterns differ so much from each other. That's my opinion about the current situation of the map. It is solid overall, but in my opinion still needs refinement.

This reminds me a bit of my augoeidis, to be honest. I did my own way, too. lol
(you can kudosu this if it helps somehow)
Topic Starter
Yuzeyun

OnosakiHito wrote:

01:05:100 - and 01:07:500 - kinda sad that there are no finishers. Just wanted to mention it. They were missed un purpose, having the big note at 105100 would make it feel a bit empty.
01:44:625 (221) - Could delete this one since in this way the stretches note at 01:44:550 - would be more emphasized. Afterall, sounds are not to 100% the same with 01:44:100 - and 01:43:650 - Deleted note and triplet becomes kkk.
01:48:300 ~ 01:49:650 - I rather hear something like the picture downbelow. kkddk sounds and plays rather forced to me and doesn't follow the that nicely since it doesn't give out these kind of patterns. If you intended to have some kind of improvisation, I do believe it doesn't fit here well since it goes more against the song than with. 01:43:500 - Worked better due to the constallation itself with the dons. Changed with a variation.

01:52:500 - kat is more reasonable here. That stretched sound starts here, not one note later. Inverted the dkkkd to kkddk.
01:53:100 - This part can be accepted I guess. Just wondering if it is good that there is no consistency to the othe parts. lol I just inverted some hitsounds so it looks more consistent.
02:31:500 ~ 02:41:100 - While the patterns seem to be okay, maybe reconsidering to follow more the song itself would be appropriated. I have the strong feeling that you are improvising overall, but sometimes it seems to be too forced. More opinions might be needed, huh? I tried to follow the piano. The very end has gone under minor changes that could fit better.
03:00:900 - I have my problems with such patterns which come out of the sudden. You mostly have more or less lineal patterns, and out of the sudden this or 03:03:150 - this appears. It looks random since they have no connection to any other pattern. Changed to kdkkddk.
04:00:900 - This could work here. But kkkkddk might be more accurate here since you have rather a o o x o sound here, hence the ooooxxo pattern I suggest. I'd rather keep it my way, as the sound doesn't really extend at the 4th note (it's already quiet enough due to the release).

To be honest, I still feel the same like before. Maybe we should ask more modders before we do any further move by my side. I still think some places can be refined. Some of them go kinda against the song. Others just seem to be inconsistent since patterns differ so much from each other. That's my opinion about the current situation of the map. It is solid overall, but in my opinion still needs refinement.

This reminds me a bit of my augoeidis, to be honest. I did my own way, too. lol Le grand medley de ono
(you can kudosu this if it helps somehow)
HashishKabob
Okay, here we go.

[Inner Oni]

  • First let me admit towards the end of this mod I started getting disoriented with what I was doing. Partly because I was cooking, partly because it's a 5 minute song, and partly because I couldn't follow what you wanted your map to be at certain points. I think your biggest strength throughout it emphasis. You seem to know just what parts sound strongest or carry the most weight (have the most emotion/energy) and when to follow it. your biggest weakness is consistency. You sometimes seem to forget exactly what it was you wanted to follow for what segments, in the middle of the segment. Your own ear is going to be your guide here. Listen to where your emphasis is. Is it dons? Is it kats? Does the transition from emphasis of dons to kats sound right? Does it play right? Can I make it smoother? If it doesn't sound right or feel right to you. It isn't.

    00:00:750 - Missed a sound.

    00:09:150 - You could map this sound if you wanted to. A kat fits nicely.

    00:21:300 - I might suggest changing this piece to a ddkdd kdd type pattern. Keeps your kat beat consistent. The important part I want to mention is that, no matter what, the note at 00:21:600 - should definitely be a kat in order for consistency. Follow any other pattern, make this a kat.

    00:27:900 - I suggest changing this to a kat as well. The don breaks the harmony flow you have here without adding any useful dynamic to the sound or beat you are/could try to create here.

    00:36:450 (61,62,63,64) - I would change this piece into d kdk, to follow previous sound dynamic you're using. No reason to change it to fit pitch when you haven't been using that as base (as of yet).

    00:38:475 - and 00:38:550 - could be filled in without any problems.

    00:39:450 - Change to kat? It will help follow the pitch you are creating a beat for.

    00:42:150 (112,113) - Change these two notes to d and k respectively. Same as above, it'll help keep your pitch in a balance with your beat.

    00:53:700 - Maybe change to kat? You have an interesting way of following the harmony in this section where you flip-flop between accenting the drums (or your own beat), and the pitch of the piano. A kat here might help create a better sounding flow in this area.

    01:10:200 (2,3,4,5,6) - This piece here doesn't fit very well to balance the rest of this segment. Only because you try and create your own pace for the beat here and forget to follow through. My suggestion is either make the entire segment (up to 01:18:300 - ) standard patterns (the super predictable lame ones), or change this piece at 01:10:200 to something like kd dk or something similar. (Look at your patterns ahead and do what you do there: follow the pitch.)

    01:55:500 - to 01:55:950 - This piece could use a touch-up. I suggest using kats to emphasis the piano at 01:55:500 - 01:55:650 - 01:55:875 - and finishing with a don at 01:55:950 - to close the piece. It will look like (starting at 01:55:500 - ) k kddkd
    01:56:100 - To top the piece (mentioned above) off, land a don here to flow into the next segment with the drum background.

    01:58:050 - A don could be added here, is the previous piece at 01:56:250 - to 01:57:900 - you seem to follow the drums/create a beat for the segment. A don here would help follow that through into the next piece.
    02:01:050 - Same reason I mention just above ^, I suggest adding a don here as well.

    02:18:450 - I do not like using an odd-plet stream in this map particularly because it creates unnecessary difficulty jumps. I suggest changing to kdkdd or something more simplistic like you have before.
    02:24:600 - Same as above. I do not like that you randomly decide to use odd-plet complex patterns in your map for (what seems to be) an unjustified reason.

    02:26:550 - Maybe change to kat? You seem to be creating your own beat around this segment using the drums as your main sound for following. A kat here will help continue that flow.
    02:29:850 - Maybe kat here as well? (reason listed above ^)

    02:32:400 (99,100,101,102,103,104,105) - This pattern seems unnecessarily complex. I would just simplify it to a 5-plet pattern. Maybe just ddkdk at 02:32:550 - ?

    02:37:050 - Same as before, an odd-plet pattern just seems forced and unnecessary.
    03:01:050 - ^^^

    03:05:250 - This segment seems unnecessary as well. No need for a long stream to no sound. I suggest simplifying it to just 7-plet, if not less. (starting at 03:05:550 - )

    03:17:175 - Missed a mappable note here.

    03:24:900 - Still unnecessary. (at 03:23:775 - it is okay because the song calls for it, and it is not awkward).

    03:26:025 - I suggest simply removing the don at this location. The long pattern feel unnecessary and the awkward odd-plet dddkd again.

    03:27:750 - In order to flesh out the pattern here, I think simply changing this note to a kat fixes it.

    03:32:100 - Again.
    03:34:575 - ^

    03:35:700 - Maybe I should stop fighting you on this? (I kinda like this)

    03:37:500 (175,176,177,178,179,180,181,182,183,184,185,186,187,188,189) - This stream does not fit. The drum beat in the background is actually slowing down and ends at 03:38:400 - where you continue on for 2 1/4 beats. If you are going to keep this, I recommend changing the pattern to ddddkkddd d k D. It feels like you are forcing the pattern to speed up where the song is calling for a slow down.
    03:38:550 - Maybe even add a don here to emphasize the slow down?

    04:16:950 - I do not hear the extra 1/4ths in this part. If anything it slows down back to 1/2. I suggest deleting the ddd pattern making it into a simple don at 04:16:950 - .
    04:17:100 - Then at this point, you can even change this into the finisher it so DESPERATELY wants to be.

    04:23:550 - I think you know what I hear here. Here is the pattern I suggest.

    05:04:950 - Maybe change to kat to help keep drum emphasis?

    05:09:825 - Remove note. There is no sound here.

    05:23:100 - I suggest moving your spinner to here (current ending is fine to keep) so you can add a kat to 05:21:900 - where it is more appropriate.



Overall, I think you have a great start to a great map for a great song. What you need to keep your focus on is "okay, I think following piano pitch or the overall harmony feels better for this segment" or "drums really grab my attention throughout these points so I'm going to focus on them there". Decide if you want one or the other to be your focal point for your map because it is very difficult sometimes to understand what you are trying to capture. If you are trying to create your own beat to flow with the entirety of a section, then do exactly that. Try not to switch your focus so much in the same segment. It might help to create bookmarks for sections of the song that sound alike/different and figure out with pieces you want to follow and how you want that area to sound before you go in and map it out. It's even okay to switch your focus in the middle of a segment if you think it's getting to boring playing the same drum beat or the same piano parts. Just make sure the transitions smoothly reflect that and you aren't jumping around harmonies and beats within the same 5 second spans. Good luck on your approval!
Topic Starter
Yuzeyun

HashishKabob wrote:

Okay, here we go. fuckin-

[Inner Oni]

  • First let me admit towards the end of this mod I started getting disoriented with what I was doing. Partly because I was cooking, partly because it's a 5 minute song, and partly because I couldn't follow what you wanted your map to be at certain points. I think your biggest strength throughout it emphasis. You seem to know just what parts sound strongest or carry the most weight (have the most emotion/energy) and when to follow it. your biggest weakness is consistency. You sometimes seem to forget exactly what it was you wanted to follow for what segments, in the middle of the segment. Your own ear is going to be your guide here. Listen to where your emphasis is. Is it dons? Is it kats? Does the transition from emphasis of dons to kats sound right? Does it play right? Can I make it smoother? If it doesn't sound right or feel right to you. It isn't.

    00:09:150 - You could map this sound if you wanted to. A kat fits nicely. I'd rather not map this one sound, even though there's another similar sound later in the song (the part it belongs to is much calmer)

    00:21:300 - I might suggest changing this piece to a ddkdd kdd type pattern. Keeps your kat beat consistent. The important part I want to mention is that, no matter what, the note at 00:21:600 - should definitely be a kat in order for consistency. Follow any other pattern, make this a kat. I changed the pattern to ddkkd kkk, as it was also meant to follow the piano.

    00:36:450 (61,62,63,64) - I would change this piece into d kdk, to follow previous sound dynamic you're using. No reason to change it to fit pitch when you haven't been using that as base (as of yet). All the k k 1/2 you heard were mostly piano. On that one it doesn't work as much, I changed to d kdd

    00:38:475 - and 00:38:550 - could be filled in without any problems. Added kd

    00:39:450 - Change to kat? It will help follow the pitch you are creating a beat for. Changed and moved 00:39:975 - to 00:39:675 -

    00:42:150 (112,113) - Change these two notes to d and k respectively. Same as above, it'll help keep your pitch in a balance with your beat. Done and changed 00:42:375 (116) - to k

    01:10:200 (2,3,4,5,6) - This piece here doesn't fit very well to balance the rest of this segment. Only because you try and create your own pace for the beat here and forget to follow through. My suggestion is either make the entire segment (up to 01:18:300 - ) standard patterns (the super predictable lame ones), or change this piece at 01:10:200 to something like kd dk or something similar. (Look at your patterns ahead and do what you do there: follow the pitch.) Followed the pitch.

    02:26:550 - Maybe change to kat? You seem to be creating your own beat around this segment using the drums as your main sound for following. A kat here will help continue that flow. As said previously, I follow the piano and at that point there's no note from it.

    02:37:050 - Same as before, an odd-plet pattern just seems forced and unnecessary. changed to k ddk

    03:32:100 - Again.
    03:34:575 - ^

    03:35:700 - Maybe I should stop fighting you on this? (I kinda like this) LOL

    03:38:550 - Maybe even add a don here to emphasize the slow down? this already has one

    04:16:950 - I do not hear the extra 1/4ths in this part. If anything it slows down back to 1/2. I suggest deleting the ddd pattern making it into a simple don at 04:16:950 - . I heard somehing like 2 notes so yeah
    04:17:100 - Then at this point, you can even change this into the finisher it so DESPERATELY wants to be.

    04:23:550 - I think you know what I hear here. Here is the pattern I suggest. It's actually more complicated at this point since 04:23:737 - is a drum hit. To avoid 5/8 spacing I decided to ignore it to the piano.

    05:23:100 - I suggest moving your spinner to here (current ending is fine to keep) so you can add a kat to 05:21:900 - where it is more appropriate.
I moved it 1/2 forward instead, that would be too long of a pause since it was for the very long note


Overall, I think you have a great start to a great map for a great song. What you need to keep your focus on is "okay, I think following piano pitch or the overall harmony feels better for this segment" or "drums really grab my attention throughout these points so I'm going to focus on them there". Decide if you want one or the other to be your focal point for your map because it is very difficult sometimes to understand what you are trying to capture. If you are trying to create your own beat to flow with the entirety of a section, then do exactly that. Try not to switch your focus so much in the same segment. It might help to create bookmarks for sections of the song that sound alike/different and figure out with pieces you want to follow and how you want that area to sound before you go in and map it out. It's even okay to switch your focus in the middle of a segment if you think it's getting to boring playing the same drum beat or the same piano parts. Just make sure the transitions smoothly reflect that and you aren't jumping around harmonies and beats within the same 5 second spans. Good luck on your approval!
I sincerely wish you can get into the BN. This is one hell of a detailed mod.
Raiden
Can't detail much the mod thus you will hate me (unless you already do) :^)



[ Inner Oni]

  1. Why can't I hold all these bookmarks (no but really don't you think it's time to remove them? i mean, they are extra stuff in the .osu file and peppy has already enough kb's to bear :^) // nevermind
  2. 00:01:350 (10) - Don't you think this would sound better as a k to emphasize piano high note in contrast with 00:01:200 (9) - ?
  3. 00:03:750 (24) - Same than above, to contrast from last note
  4. 00:06:150 (39) - up you go ^
  5. 00:08:400 (52,53,54) - this sounds rather as a "bong bong beng" thus my suggestion to turn it into ddk
  6. 00:09:900 - you following drums from this point onward right? If so, this 00:11:850 (65) - 5th note should be moved right onto the next 00:12:000 - to keep the rhythm consistent. Actually I don't know what you're following but i guess it is ok to do variations in higher difficulties
  7. 00:14:850 (83) - Hear me out: try moving it to 00:15:150 - and tell me what you think about the new flow
  8. 00:15:450 (87) - Listen closely here, don't you think a k would fit better here?
  9. 00:17:400 (100) - at this sound you map a k which is nice because the pitch demands it. But what about 00:17:700 (103) - and 00:17:850 (104) - ? They have the same sound and yet they are d's ayyyy (TL;DR change k because reasons)
  10. 00:18:900 (113) - you followed correctly the note at 00:18:600 (110) - , so the 113 should be a k too i think
  11. 00:20:100 (122,123) - I think these 2 sound exactly as 00:19:800 (119) - , so I guess they should be k's too
  12. 00:21:450 (133) - pitch demands k here, I think there's no need for explanation :^)
  13. 01:48:000 (250) - k to differentiate from 01:47:700 (249) - i guess
  14. 00:48:900 (8,11) - Swap these? in the second one I hear no uprise for the tone of the music
  15. 00:51:300 (28,30) - Same, try swapping these 2
  16. 00:52:875 (42) - I hear no clear sound, I think it'd be better to remove it idk
  17. 00:55:200 (62) - k instead to follow the bass?
  18. 00:56:550 (79) - k to emphasize piano note?
  19. 01:01:500 (122) - this could be a k for either "resetting" the rhythm or emphasize the piano note here
  20. 01:06:300 (164) - Same suggestion than above
  21. 01:08:700 (187) - Same suggestion ^
  22. 01:22:650 (64) - k to emphasize piano sound?
  23. 01:29:100 (112) - Wouldn't a K sound better here?
  24. The TPP song kiai I found really good tbh
  25. 02:07:950 (52) - k for piano sound?
  26. 02:08:550 (58) - Same ^
  27. 02:23:550 (15,17) - Try swapping these 2 and tell me what you think
  28. 02:29:025 (67) - Don't you think this is a bit unnecessary?
  29. 02:30:600 (79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91) - I know it's okay to stream every so often, but idk, this seems a lot out of place
  30. 02:45:300 (39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47) - Same, try 5+3 instead of a 9 note stream
  31. 02:48:225 (68) - I hear no clear sound at all here, maybe remove?
  32. 03:03:225 (28) - Same than above
  33. 03:04:875 (44) - Bump ^
  34. 03:05:550 (50,51,52,53,54,55,56) - Same a bit than above, idk, seems out of place
  35. 03:12:300 (116) - this pitch demands a k I think
  36. 03:23:700 (39) - shouldn't this be a k for the piano?
  37. 03:24:300 (46) - pitch demands k imo
  38. 03:33:300 (133) - same but this time with piano
  39. 03:36:000 (162) - The piano gets lower here, maybe turn into d?
  40. 03:56:400 (89) - no notable pitch change here, change to d? Well that'll probably make the 1/3 stream a bit boring but idk
  41. 04:19:350 (8,9,10,11) - How do you hear those 1/6???? I honestly can't...
  42. 04:26:700 (1,2,3) - sounds exactly like 04:28:650 (7,8,9) - , so I guess both should be the same
  43. 05:21:700 - Sound extends from here too, so I guess you can add another note here

I've seen only 2 problems with the map Gezo (which may be disregarded for now since I am no expert mapper) which are as Hashish said consistency: I've felt that you usually randomize dons and kats. They shouldn't be randomized whatsoever dear Gezo, even if a purpose of a map is being fun to play, that's just a secondary purpose. The main purpose is to fit the song and be well structured.

And the second problem goes to overmap (here we go :^)): I've noticed you mapped streams to literally no sound at all (or maybe there was sound and I don't have enough listening power to hear them, might be the case -> in which case, ignore this). I know it is supposed to be a challenging map and so, but I honestly think randomly putting streams to silence is not the way to go.

As you can see, I completely disregarded kiai's streams since I like to go full ham on kiais as well. But still..

Anyway, I tried to be as honest as possible. I hope you don't hate me for this (if you don't already do)

Peace out, and good luck on the rank :D
Topic Starter
Yuzeyun

Raiden wrote:

Can't detail much the mod thus you will hate me (unless you already do) :^)



[ Inner Oni]

  1. Why can't I hold all these bookmarks (no but really don't you think it's time to remove them? i mean, they are extra stuff in the .osu file and peppy has already enough kb's to bear :^) // nevermind
  2. 00:01:350 (10) - Don't you think this would sound better as a k to emphasize piano high note in contrast with 00:01:200 (9) - ? It used to be like that, but I keep as it is to have variety.
  3. 00:08:400 (52,53,54) - this sounds rather as a "bong bong beng" thus my suggestion to turn it into ddk I keep it as kkk since color changes are irrelevant (and it would actually be dkk dur to the last 2 notes being approx. the same)
  4. 00:09:900 - you following drums from this point onward right? If so, this 00:11:850 (65) - 5th note should be moved right onto the next 00:12:000 - to keep the rhythm consistent. Actually I don't know what you're following but i guess it is ok to do variations in higher difficulties There's no real drumm pattern, so it is mixed. I changed 57-60 to kkdd.
  5. 00:15:450 (87) - Listen closely here, don't you think a k would fit better here? I made the triplet kkk instead as they are all related.
  6. 00:18:900 (113) - you followed correctly the note at 00:18:600 (110) - , so the 113 should be a k too i think I made 111 and 112 kk instead, to mark the separation.
  7. 00:20:100 (122,123) - I think these 2 sound exactly as 00:19:800 (119) - , so I guess they should be k's too 124 is don.
  8. 00:21:450 (133) - pitch demands k here, I think there's no need for explanation :^) Inverted with 132.
  9. 01:48:000 (250) - k to differentiate from 01:47:700 (249) - i guess Even though it's right, I want to keep as dons as they are pretty much a breakdown for 0.6 seconds.
  10. 00:48:900 (8,11) - Swap these? in the second one I hear no uprise for the tone of the music I made it different. ddk d d kkd D
  11. 00:51:300 (28,30) - Same, try swapping these 2 Different as well
  12. 00:55:200 (62) - k instead to follow the bass? inverted triplet
  13. 00:56:550 (79) - k to emphasize piano note? Focuses on drumming
  14. 01:01:500 (122) - this could be a k for either "resetting" the rhythm or emphasize the piano note here It makes no sense to put a k when they're all focusing on the 3/2 snares. Same goes for the next ones.
  15. 01:22:650 (64) - k to emphasize piano sound? kkk would be monotonous. I put ddk.
  16. 01:29:100 (112) - Wouldn't a K sound better here? Rhythm is focusing on drum here.
  17. The TPP song kiai I found really good tbh still not better than original
  18. 02:23:550 (15,17) - Try swapping these 2 and tell me what you think 17 as a don loses focus on the piano. I opted for kkddk.
  19. 02:29:025 (67) - Don't you think this is a bit unnecessary? No, it fits well enough at that point (it's only a septuplet)
  20. 02:30:600 (79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91) - I know it's okay to stream every so often, but idk, this seems a lot out of place It is perfectly in place.
  21. 02:45:300 (39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47) - Same, try 5+3 instead of a 9 note stream I prefer my way, it's not too hard.
  22. 02:48:225 (68) - I hear no clear sound at all here, maybe remove? Doesn't mean anything here. I think kdk at that point could be more than fine.
  23. 03:03:225 (28) - Same than above ^
  24. 03:04:875 (44) - Bump ^ ^
  25. 03:05:550 (50,51,52,53,54,55,56) - Same a bit than above, idk, seems out of place kdk dkd with progression.
  26. 03:12:300 (116) - this pitch demands a k I think Considering this is the lowest of the 3/2 piano hits, I will keep is as d.
  27. 03:23:700 (39) - shouldn't this be a k for the piano? I better not mix the sudden snare hit and piano here.
  28. 03:24:300 (46) - pitch demands k imo I keep d for the soft crash.
  29. 03:33:300 (133) - same but this time with piano Inverted pitching stays. Stream is now k d k
  30. 03:36:000 (162) - The piano gets lower here, maybe turn into d? I was improvizing
  31. 03:56:400 (89) - no notable pitch change here, change to d? Well that'll probably make the 1/3 stream a bit boring but idk This part is literally 100% drum
  32. 04:19:350 (8,9,10,11) - How do you hear those 1/6???? I honestly can't... Listen again. It has a BG sound that is 1/6.
  33. 04:26:700 (1,2,3) - sounds exactly like 04:28:650 (7,8,9) - , so I guess both should be the same I prefer my way again. It gives structure.
  34. 05:21:700 - Sound extends from here too, so I guess you can add another note here I don't want an awkward quintuplet at that point.

I've seen only 2 problems with the map Gezo (which may be disregarded for now since I am no expert mapper) which are as Hashish said consistency: I've felt that you usually randomize dons and kats. They shouldn't be randomized whatsoever dear Gezo, even if a purpose of a map is being fun to play, that's just a secondary purpose. The main purpose is to fit the song and be well structured.

And the second problem goes to overmap (here we go :^)): I've noticed you mapped streams to literally no sound at all (or maybe there was sound and I don't have enough listening power to hear them, might be the case -> in which case, ignore this). I know it is supposed to be a challenging map and so, but I honestly think randomly putting streams to silence is not the way to go. On the other hand, not putting streams in an inner oni looks contradictory. I pushed the map at its limits here.

As you can see, I completely disregarded kiai's streams since I like to go full ham on kiais as well. But still..

Anyway, I tried to be as honest as possible. I hope you don't hate me for this (if you don't already do)

Peace out, and good luck on the rank :D
Raiden
lol im bk

you can kd me since map changed a BIT?? dunno

[>Inner Oni<]
  1. OD6? 7 seems... uh... pp mapping? lol
  2. 00:05:100 (32) - I think you can delete this to keep the melody and ignore the piano here, flows quite better in my opinion. Otherwise you would map 00:06:300 - and stuff wouldn't you?
  3. 00:08:400 (52,53,54) - I'm betting ddk would sound better lol (piano pitch)
  4. 00:11:850 (65,66) - CTRL+G to emphasize the snare? Even though I know you're following piano.
  5. 00:14:700 (82) - Finisher? Clear cymbal crash
  6. 00:17:850 (104,105,106,107,108) - kkkkd instead? I think it flows better
  7. 00:21:600 (134,135) - I'd say remove 135 and make 134 a don to emphasize the snare at 136
  8. 01:04:800 (149,150,151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159,160,161,162,163,164) - I tested this and it flowed way better to me, dunno. (The 149 is the first)
  9. 01:24:375 - Add a don? I think it'd fit the strong sound on the note before since it does not have a finisher
  10. 01:26:475 - Similar as above ^
  11. 01:31:500 (124) - Finisher?
  12. 01:50:775 - You can fearlessly add a kat here
  13. 02:02:700 (1) - Remove? Kinda makes the big kat from before lose a bit of its spice
  14. 02:17:175 (138) - Move to 02:16:875 - ? It makes me lose the don rhythm on the downbeat as it is now lol
  15. 02:24:675 (26) - Hmmm, I think this note is not necessary lol. Also 02:24:600 (25) - could be a don even if a snare hit to differentiate from 27; considering you've done a d at 02:25:200 (30) -
  16. 02:57:900 (146) - Finisher?
  17. 03:08:925 (83,84) - CTRL+G? This way the snare is at 84 and the pattern gets more flow since you're not forced to hand swap so early at the kkk
  18. 03:17:925 (172) - Could be a don to remark 171 and 173 as clear snare hits
  19. 03:27:450 (75,79) - Both dons? I don't see reason for so many kats t_t
  20. 03:53:100 (69) - Finisher?
  21. 03:54:000 (73) - ^
  22. 03:57:900 (1) - Shameless Finisher suggestion
  23. 04:03:750 (50) - ^
  24. 04:21:900 (20) - ^
  25. 05:09:825 - There's a sound, you can map a kat here I think
  26. 05:12:150 (138) - Finisher?
  27. 05:14:700 (1) - ^
  28. 05:22:050 (1) - Spinner too loud, decrease its volume :D
Heck it's been a long time without modding

That's it call me back
Topic Starter
Yuzeyun

Raiden wrote:

lol im baka
ftfy

you can kd me since map changed a BIT?? dunno no

[>Inner Oni<]
  1. OD6? 7 seems... uh... pp mapping? lol no its not, keeping 7 bEUCASE 7 IS GUD 5 IS SHIT 6 IS LESS SHIT its like tau vs pi if we argue on this
  2. 00:05:100 (32) - I think you can delete this to keep the melody and ignore the piano here, flows quite better in my opinion. Otherwise you would map 00:06:300 - and stuff wouldn't you? after a few instances of the same melodic pattern i like to put a supplementary note, as to make it vaguely-barely-slightly less boring.
  3. 00:08:400 (52,53,54) - I'm betting ddk would sound better lol (piano pitch) idk i tried, doesn't really appeal me
  4. 00:11:850 (65,66) - CTRL+G to emphasize the snare? Even though I know you're following piano. screw snare theres a piano note here
  5. 00:17:850 (104,105,106,107,108) - kkkkd instead? I think it flows better screwed 105 instead
  6. 00:21:600 (134,135) - I'd say remove 135 and make 134 a don to emphasize the snare at 136 i already dont remember if i added this note
  7. 01:04:800 (149,150,151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159,160,161,162,163,164) - I tested this and it flowed way better to me, dunno. (The 149 is the first) it sucks you completely ignored the snare i arranged this so i can even have a finisher at the beginning
  8. 01:24:375 - Add a don? I think it'd fit the strong sound on the note before since it does not have a finisher quintupleet begfore break is awkward
  9. 01:26:475 - Similar as above ^ ^
  10. 01:50:775 - You can fearlessly add a kat here added don at 01:50:925 (272) - , the pattern is accompanied in a better fashonu
  11. 02:17:175 (138) - Move to 02:16:875 - ? It makes me lose the don rhythm on the downbeat as it is now lol deletederino instead, not a good note either wyaz
  12. 03:08:925 (83,84) - CTRL+G? This way the snare is at 84 and the pattern gets more flow since you're not forced to hand swap so early at the kkk it's ugly to play for a quintuple snare
  13. 03:17:925 (172) - Could be a don to remark 171 and 173 as clear snare hits 174 changed to k
  14. 03:57:900 (1) - Shameless Finisher suggestion bad idea, this will induce chokes
  15. 04:21:900 (20) - ^ i'd rather keep it small
  16. 05:14:700 (1) - ^ kzzpeodfokl soft
  17. 05:22:050 (1) - Spinner too loud, decrease its volume :D
That's it call me back rename yourself Back, then
Raiden
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