So my defense of myself is "stating the obvious?" Shouldn't that mean I'm obviously not mafia? =/

And I wasn't sending subliminal scumplanting messages, I was saying facts. And yes, they do incriminate LadySuburu, which makes her most likely to be the traitor with the knowledge we have.

vote LadySuburu

In fact I am almost positive that LadySuburu is the traitor, even ignoring who you and BagelBob got innocent results for:
-Pas and BagelBob I cleared here
-I don't believe Derekku knew about the "No Result" possibility for Cop investigations until this game (since I am fairly certain this is the first time he has been a cop, and No Result hasn't come up in any of the games him/we have played so far, as far as I know). Also (WIFOM warning) if you a traitor claiming cop, why not give actual results?
-and I'm clear because I know I am

Also Pasonia, No Lynch is not the way to go here, if we don't lynch someone tonight we will be at LyLo tomorrow (unless my protection is successful), and we will have 4 people to choose from instead of 3.

Yes, but the 2 people who die those nights are guaranteed to be pro-mafia, whereas if we do a lynch tonight there is a chance we hit the traitor, and we get a second chance we aren't not correct.
The only reason we would want an extra night is for an extra cop investigation. Thing is though, if Derekku really is the cop then I would get NK'd the first night, leaving Derekku open to get NK'd night 2, and that still only leaves us with one investigation.
So unless I'm missing something here, No Lynch won't do us a bit of good.

Also, I don't think the mod is supposed to contribute to the discussion..

Here's why I see something wrong here. Assuming that I am indeed the traitor, and there's no sanity problems, here's how things would look.

Pasoinia - Mafia with innocent on BB (Mostly clear due to posting this first, and followed by a similar claim.)
BagelBob - Mafia with innocent on Derekku cleared by Pasonia.

Already, if the two above are true, the Mafia win instantly, as the only possible results are me and 0_o.

Not only do we have those two, but we have this as well.

0_o - Mafia Doctor
Derekku - Mafia Cop with unknown on Pasonia

So, in this theoretical situation, We've got not only two/three confirmed innocents, but a cop and a doctor as well?

As another note, I find it humorously funny, though frustrating, that I'm the only one here without any sort of power or "extra knowledge".

Now, I have to write a paper, but I'll be back with more either later tonight or tomorrow. (Or earlier if I can fit a post in.)

Hey Suburu, that's a great set-up you have there, but, umm, it includes you being scum. Do you have anything where someone else is scum?

To cut a long story short it's that I'm only left with 0_o or LS to suspect against. Please, more from LS please. What you did back there was only regurgitating known information...

Here's some possibilities of setups where I am not scum. Some is pure speculation, and WIFOMY, but it's really all I have.

A: Pasonia's information was false. BB is scum and Derekku is innocent. BB copied Pasonia's statement. Unlikely due to a statement early on when voting for Derekku. (Though, that vote is contradictory.)

B: Bagel's information was false. Derekku is scum.

C: 0_o fake claimed. 0_o is our scum.

D: Pas is scum. strager provided an addition to Pas's PM which contained the version of the role PM bagel was sent, with no name attached. (Possibly with name attached, would work too.) Pas claimed first to "confirm" self as town, and chose to claim BB innocent.

I have nothing solid, and having no abilities nothing much else to give. Those are the only situations I can think of as possible.

Final WIFOM statement: If I were scum, why not have claimed similar to Pasonia? Scum know who is and is not innocent.

Meh.

Ahem, yes, that first vote came because I had yet to talk to strager. At first I thought "innocent" meant traitor since, you know, this is crazy Mafia and we are the Mafia, so Guilty would mean one of us. strager cleared it up. That conversation ended with strager telling me that I couldn't post "PANTS PANTS PANTS PANTS".

I'd like to assume that strager was telling the truth, as otherwise he would be a Bastard.

I know option A to not be the correct set-up, and it looks like a majority thinks similarly.
I'd like to believe option B to be false, as I'd like to believe that strager is not a Bastard.
I'll give it a 3% chance of being true.
I have no way to prove or disprove option C. I'll give it a 45% chance of being true.

I'd like to append option D, then refute it. The basic set-up here is that the cop has both a doctor and someone who can confirm the cop's innocence. I'd say it's possible that Pasonia received a list of Everyone's roll. It would make story-sense because the Traitor is one of us, so should know us well. I further think that since this is crazy mafia, strager might have made the doctor insane. Or the option where he kills if his protection fails. That's what I would have done anyway. This is further supported, but not confirmed, by Derekku getting roleblocked. (I'm pretty sure that's what happened)
With only a 1 in 4 chance of hitting the cop, this game would be a 75% win chance for the town on day 1 and probably even higher on day 2 (ignoring day 2, unless of course the Traitor AND the doctor killed N0, in which case there would be no day 2) anyway, that ends my append of "if the Traitor is Pasonia, he knows more than just my role" story

Now, I think it is unlikely that Pasonia is lying because she choose me to Buddy with me, and I mean come on; that's totally out of character. Unless he spent those last two games making me think he hates me personally and really doesn't, in which case that's extremely something. I'll give it a 2% chance.

I protected myself the first night and I'm still here, so that second option isn't the case.

Nonetheless, very interesting theory..
unvote

Comparing to this post:



Several questions about these point to you as being highly suspicious.

1. Why are you flip-flopping on the matter? First you say that no lynch is not the way to go, THEN you proceeded to perform an unvote yourself.
2. Why are you so intent on pushing votes on LS? You made that intention extremely clear with this:



You helped us highlight an L-1, thank you very much. But this is very clear as day you're trying very hard to get LS lynched. While I do not trust that LS is cleared yet, I am of a strong opinion on the matter of you being the traitor. Your eagerness to push a vote and then suddenly backing out is making your case weaker in my eyes, and your second unvote has forced my hand. You seemed like you didn't want to deal the finishing blow; I can't think of a reason other than you being a traitor as the only plausible reason behind your flippy-floppiness.

Vote 0_o

The traitor getting a list of our roles and roleblocking my scan DOES seem likely (and something that strager would do).

Hmm..

Okay then, Derekku, what's the use of a Cop Role if it's already told to the Traitor? Won't the Traitor then kill the cop on N0 instead of leaving us a chance like this?

Besides, if it's possible that Traitor Kills N0, what are the chances of a successful doctor protect? Then you're implying you have to be both a doctor and a cop in order to protect yourself N0?

Hmm I dunno. I'm just thinking along the lines that this is CRAZY mafia and that strager can host it however he wants. Maybe the traitor wasn't allowed to kill N0? I really don't know. ._.;

What? We have 36 hours to make a decision, and me unvoting means I want a no-lynch??


So... me posting a vote count means I'm trying to get LadySuburu lynched.. this makes no sense?


I unvoted because BagelBob made a good case, am I not allowed to change my opinion if someone presents an argument that makes more sense than mine, and blindly follow my own convictions? If I recall correctly, that's exactly one of the things you accused me of after CM1.


1) We don't know if there was a kill N0, I but I'm guessing no since the game is so small to begin with, and if there was a kill we would be at LyLo on the first day
2) If the traitor is a role-blocker, then it doesn't matter if Derekku is a cop because he can block him every night anyway.

I actually think Bagel's "knowledgeable traitor" idea makes a lot of sense. Seeing as this is Crazy Mafia, don't you think it would be wayy too easy to have 2 knowledgeable townies CONFIRMING innocence of another, as well as a Cop and Doctor? There has got to be something more going on here.