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Surprise survey

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  1. Did you enjoy playing Crazy Mafia 1?
  2. Did you enjoy spectating Crazy Mafia 1?
  3. Is there anything you would like to see changed to Crazy Mafia?
  4. How were my lame story bits?
  5. Would you like participate in Crazy Mafia 2?
  6. How would you rate my modding abilities?
  7. What questions, if any, should I add to this survey?
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Queue this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffqB7whd ... annel_page

*Echo, the lone survivor, lead a successful quiet life, as the leader of the mafia. His reign of terror had no end. Even after his death, his legend lived on. Echo's happy life came at the cost of four others... but we're okay with that. We made a legend here.*

*BAD END 1*
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If Pasonia was scum, he would have claimed I was guilty on D1 since he wasn't aware of how the cop thing worked. This is pretty much conclusive evidence that Pasonia was town.

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Yes, I stuffed up D1, and I was extremely surprised I got away with it.
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when you realised that almost everyone but the scum bore the cop role (which must have scared the fuck shit out of you)
pretty much sums up how I felt :P

The reason for changing to cop was definitely WIFOM.

To be honest, some of Pasonia's points truly are illogical. But most aren't, you just aren't that good at getting your points across.

Good game everyone. No hard feelings, I hope.

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  1. yeah, I enjoyed it
  2. -
  3. if you didn't use one of each type of sanity, then please do so
  4. lame :P
  5. sure
  6. not bad?
  7. none

Tell us who had what role please :)
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i think 0_o is a bit biased
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Echo wrote:
If Pasonia was scum, he would have claimed I was guilty on D1 since he wasn't aware of the cop setup. This is pretty much conclusive evidence that Pasonia was town.

WIFOM.

Echo wrote:
To be honest, some of Pasonia's points truly are illogical. But most aren't, you just aren't that good at getting your points across.

Yup. Pas needs to work on communication. Not your fault, Pas... you just gotta work at it.
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I'm wondering why you cops didn't do a no lynch on day 1, also nice hammer there Echo.
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strager: not WIFOM

You can tell Pasonia really didn't know how the sanity thing worked. In that case, if he was scum there was no reason for him to claim I was innocent since there were already 2 guilty claims on me. He would either not make a claim, or play along and claim I was guilty. But his post claiming I was innocent means he was definitely what he claimed to be.

This is based on how he could act based on a misconception of the game setup, which isn't wifom.

bagelbob: SFG suggested no lynch, so of course I had to hammer straight away :P
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crap

SFG: what do you mean by I'm "biased"?

Honestly, I just felt like I would rather lose by lynching Pasonia than by lynching Echo. Echo was amazing at defending himself, and I just felt like if I had voted for Echo and we lost I would feel like an idiot.

Now however I just feel owned. Which I can put up with :P
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Echo wrote:
strager: not WIFOM

You can tell Pasonia really didn't know how the sanity thing worked. In that case, if he was scum there was no reason for him to claim I was innocent since there were already 2 guilty claims on me. He would either not make a claim, or play along and claim I was guilty. But his post claiming I was innocent means he was definitely what he claimed to be.

If Pasonia claimed Cop and you Guilty, that'd be three guilties on one person. Two Innocents would pop up, so that means one of SFG, 0_o, and Pasonia is the Mafia.

SFG, being the first claim, is much less likely to be the Mafia. If she were the Mafia, her claim could be used to make people think she is looking for the Mafia by making herself vulernable and showing a Guilty result. However, if she didn't die the next day, and her claim wasn't confirmed by other Cops, she'd be an easy target. SFG's not that stupid. (Some holes in this here argument I am guessing, but I'm too lazy to cover them.)

It's pretty much happened with you. You could have squeezed in your claim between Pasonia's and adam's, though, instead of saying "adam will claim Cop and Innocent on me" then later using his claim and result as a reason for him being a Mafia.

Take my survey guise.
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That's not true. Anyone other than SFG and 0_o could have been scum.

That's why if Pasonia was mafia he wouldn't have claimed I was innocent. Since he did just that, he's proven townie. If Pasonia was mafia, he would have posted a guilty investigation which basically means he *must* be scum, or he would have waited until later before posting or posted without a claim.
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Did you enjoy playing Crazy Mafia 1?
Yes, though I didn't really enjoy having to decide the outcome of the game :P

Is there anything you would like to see changed to Crazy Mafia?
Make it crazier. MUCH crazier. But still balanced
^_^

How were my lame story bits?
So why am I drugged, again?

Would you like participate in Crazy Mafia 2?
We'll see

How would you rate my modding abilities?
No negative comments here

What questions, if any, should I add to this survey?
idk
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Echo wrote:
That's not true. Anyone other than SFG and 0_o could have been scum.

That's why if Pasonia was mafia he wouldn't have claimed I was innocent. Since he did just that, he's proven townie. If Pasonia was mafia, he would have posted a guilty investigation which basically means he *must* be scum, or he would have waited until later before posting or posted without a claim.

Uh, what?

I'm not seeing your logic.

On Day 1, there are five claims if everyone investigated you: two Guilty, two Innocent, one Guilty or Innocent. If there are three of one of the results, one of the three who found that result is guilty. This assumes everyone (except the Mafia) is truthful about their claim. Townies do not have a reason to lie. (You kinda messed that up, Echo. ;P)

I this case, there were two Guilties and three Innocents. Thus, the Mafia could have killed both Guilties. Otherwise, some players are logically eliminated as being Mafia (as was the case with 0_o).

Echo was, I assume, trying to get (1) a quick lynch, and (2) only one target to focus on for Day 2.

If 0_o was active enough, he could have examined with Echo and Pasonia and questioned both of them. Why would a Townie lie about their role? This is, I believe, the most major tell against Echo.

By logical analysis, it is shown that:

If Pasonia was Mafia,
0_o is Insane or Paranoid,
SFG is Insane or Paranoid,
adam is Naive, and
Echo is Sane.

If Echo was Mafia,
Pasonia is Insane,
0_o is Paranoid,
SFG is Sane, and
adam is Naive.

If 0_o was Mafia,
Pasonia is Sane or Naive,
SFG is Insane or Paranoid,
adam is Sane or Naive, and
Echo is Sane or Naive.

This clears 0_o too. It also shows that Echo and Pasonia are both possible Mafia. I'm not sure if the indeterminant state of the Cop sanities in the possiblity of Pasonia being Mafia could be used to shift the probability of Echo being the Mafia up, though, so this doesn't tell us much more than what we know.
0_o wrote:
How were my lame story bits?
So why am I drugged, again?

You were crazy, thus needed drugs to keep your sanity. Because you didn't have your drugs (as you just left the asylum without any real preparation or thought) you resumed your suicidal tendancies.
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With regards to Echo lying about the miller stuff, I thought his explaination made sense: he knew everyone else would claim cop after SFG, so he was trying to get the mafia to think the game was semi-normal, and not let them know about all of the cop roles. If the next person who posted didn't say anything about SFG's claim (like I did), then they would likely be the mafia.

In retrospect I probably should have seen it coming, but it's a lot easier to point out mistakes when you already know who's who :P

Congrats Echo ^_^ sorry Pas :P
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We lost.

And it's solely your fault 0_o

I gave you a good case and pointed out the most glaring of contradictions only to have you vote me, fucker, based on a stupid bias.

Not going to work the survey out because I'm pissed at having to write three hours' total worth of wall of texts just to LOSE the fucking game to someone's biasedness. I don't take such losses kindly thank you very much.
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