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Votecount 3:

strager - 2 (adam2046, SFG)
0_o - 1 (strager)
SFG - 1 (Wojjan)
adam2046 - 1 (Derekku)

Not Voting - 2 (Echo, 0_o)
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strager, you hopped from one argumant to another. First you say Echo is the Cop, and he saw you were the Doctor, and left you alone, then you went to an ENTIRE new aspect, and said he fussed about you the previous day since he's a Mafia.
That does not make sense.

0_o, you're REALLY trying to get all what you say defended with reasons, either you hold an Aux you really don't want us to lose on Day 2, or you're trying to put us up with voting for the wrong guy. I'm still deciding on those scenarios, but I'll have to read this through again.

Seems like adam got muted after he was pointed out his argumants were baseless, so we could have struck a chord there. I don't see him as a Mafia, mostly because he hasn't tried anything to really defend himself (or I'm missing out on a real important post)

SFG, you're really making sense, but that may just be a cover-up. You've tried every possible angle, and explained all your reasons clearly, without overdoing it. You're least suspicious on my part, but I'm keeping my options open.

Derekku, I don't know what to really make of you. It almost seems as if everything you do is just a step without looking. Well, thay may only be the impression that I get, but it struck me as odd.

That leaves us with Echo , who is actually gathering a lot of info lately. Do you want me to answer your questions instead of Olinad? If so, I'd be happy to. I can't recall your post as I am writing, so I'll go check while I await your response. Also, you're pretty low on my list. (that means: "Likely Vanilla", FYI)

So, ask me all you want, I've read it all, I know what's happening. Thanks for letting me in, Subi!

EDIT: Derp, unvoting since Olinad's vote is pretty stupind.
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ok we have approx. 48 hours from the time of this post to reach a decision. The time for waiting is over imo and except for Wojjan/Olinad and Echo, who withheld his discussion thus far, we've pretty much exhausted our discussion. since Wojjan is here now, we are currently waiting on Echo, who should be waking up in a couple hours. As things currently stand, strager will get lynched today, which is fine by me but id prefer to get more of a decision on who his partner (assuming im correct in saying that he's mafia) is before the end of the day.


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Well if we assume strager is mafia, I think it's safe to rule out the remaining of strager's bandwagon (Echo, SFG, adam). This leaves me, Wojjan, and derekku.

But I know I'm not mafia, so in my mind that would leave wojjan and derekku. But of course, you don't know I'm not mafia, and I have substantially more evidence against me than they have on them.

So yeah, I'm willing to accept the fact that I'm getting lynched after strager if he turns out to be mafia, but keep an eye on these two when it comes down to the final three...
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Note: my hdd died yesterday, so I don't have access to a computer as much as I'd like until next Tuesday, when I can buy a new one. Because of that, I'll spill the beans right now.

Read adam's posts. Or, just read the summary SFG posted. He has posted pages and pages of non-posts. I am pretty sure he is Mafia.

Olinad was my second suspect, but I don't have enough evidence against either him or Wojjan at this point.

READ: strager is innoncent, I'm cop, scanned him yesterday, etc. etc.

Won't be back until night phase probably. Good luck.

Vote: adam
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Echo wrote:
strager is innoncent, I'm cop, scanned him yesterday, etc. etc.

Vote: adam

...well then. That's a twist. Who would have thought strager was innocent and adam was suspicious?

Oh wait...

[insert gloating here]

vote adam (adam is on L-1 now, so be careful)

So Echo, why didn't you wait a day to investigate him before blowing him away with accusations? Also I find it slightly humourous that the two people who were convinced that the other was mafia was the doctor and the cop :P
And the fact that strager will likely be protecting Echo tonight.
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Echo wrote:
READ: strager is innoncent, I'm cop, scanned him yesterday, etc. etc.



well shit. unvote.

...he has a good point about adam though.

adam has votes on him already though.


EDIT: so i decided on who to vote.

vote adam
FOS Derekku



EDIT: SHIIII- I'm sorry guys I think I got this game confused with WW, where four votes isnt even enough to gain a majority. x_x I'm sorry...please dont lynch me...
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I would say how suspicious it is that you guys turned around at the drop of a hat to believe that Echo is the cop, but I think I believe him too. :<
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Well you're all gonna be all like "what?" and I'm gonna be all like "yeah" and you'll be all like "daaaaaaaaaaaamn", hilarious.
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Okay, I'm gonna think WIFOM mode for a while.
What if strager isn't innocent, and is actually in the Mafia with Echo, which is why he wants us to change votes to adam?
I can't see why we should all believe you on the double.
If, of course, strager really is the doctor, and hence protecting Echo, strager will likely die tonight.
Also, you're forgetting that if we have a cop AND doctor, we're dealing with a possible roleblocker, who can stop strager in his protection.

I'm gonna refrain from voting this day, since I can't make an actually certain vote.
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Doesn't matter if you don't vote, I'm already dead.
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Final Votecount:

adam2046 - 4 (Derekku, Echo, 0_o, SFG)
strager - 1 (adam2046)
0_o - 1 (strager)


Not Voting - 1 (Wojjan)

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*Echo told everyone he was a cop, and told of strager's innocence. Afterward, he said his greatest suspect was adam. In a quick rush, everyone followed behind him, also accusing adam....*

*It seems that adam couldn't take the stress, and he suddenly died from a heart attack. You search his belongings, and don't find any evidence...*

adam2046 - Vanilla Townie - had a heart attack D2.

*....then out of nowhere, a huge metal block fell on adam, squishing his body and sending blood and guts everywhere.*

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*After awaking from a night of restless sleep, you woke to find Echo with a blade wound through him. It seems to have pierced the heart. Searching his belongings, you find a Policeman's badge... It seems you had an undercover cop here to help... HAD, being the key term.*

Echo - Cop - Killed N2.

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With 5 Alive, it's 3 to lynch.

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Now that I can freely speak I'll reply to some previous posts.

Wojjan wrote:
strager, you hopped from one argumant to another. First you say Echo is the Cop, and he saw you were the Doctor, and left you alone, then you went to an ENTIRE new aspect, and said he fussed about you the previous day since he's a Mafia.
That does not make sense.

I guess it doesn't. The first paragraph in my post here doesn't make sense to me even: viewtopic.php?p=146467#p146467

Not sure what I was thinking then. My guess is that was my reasoning for his attacking me.

I've also said Echo was a Cop because he knew I wasn't a Mafia (and showed this by not being on my case at all, in contrast to his intense pressure in Day One). He also was explicit here: viewtopic.php?p=148834#p148834

SFG's lynch vote seems honestly accidental. Her tone there also makes her seem less of a Mafia in my eyes.

Wojjan wrote:
If, of course, strager really is the doctor, and hence protecting Echo, strager will likely die tonight.
Also, you're forgetting that if we have a cop AND doctor, we're dealing with a possible roleblocker, who can stop strager in his protection.

Apparently I was role-blocked last night, as you predicted.

But why was Echo killed and not I?

I'll put my thinking here.

Some clarifications on aux roles:
PM wrote:
23:35 <strager|irc> Does the Cop know they have been role blocked?
23:35 <strager|irc> Does the role block get reversed?
23:35 <LadySuburu> The cop gets a result of "No result."
23:35 <strager|irc> Okay
23:38 <strager|irc> And does the role blocker get a notice their block was successful?
23:38 <LadySuburu> No.

And the possibilities they disprove:
  1. Echo was role blocked Night One and the role he sees is the opposite of the actual role of the person he examines. If he investigated me, he would see I were of the Town but I were in reality a Mafia.
  2. The role blocker attempted a role block on me on Night One. If they got a "your block was successful" message, they would know I was either a Doctor or a Cop (and most likely the former due to my major slip early game). If they didn't get one they would suspect either I do not have an aux role or I did not use my ability then. Same applies for Night Two.
The first point is debunked by my first question to LS, and the second point by my second question.

Now for some possibilities (which you are free to approve or disprove):
  1. Mafia would not kill Echo to increase suspicion on me. If I were a Mafia, Echo wouldn't have claimed I was innocent, unless he wasn't the Cop. However, we know he is, so there's more proof that I am not a Mafia.
  2. Echo caught on some scent and, if it were followed, would result in a Mafia lynch on Day Two or an examination Night Two and a lynch Day Three.

(And who is "you" who is "forgetting"?)

I'll post some more later once I've read the thread a bit more.
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