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Little
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Joined November 2012
Little

Kisses wrote:

Little

  • Given the rhythm density AR 5 would suit a lot better imho. Makes it more noob friendly and the it would be detrimental for higher skilled players either Lowered AR to 5.5. I think this is reasonable. Lower ARs make it more difficult to read stacks and overlaps.
  1. 00:08:211 (2,3,4,5) - I've got nothing against the underlapping circles overall but could you possibly avoid the underlaps for the very first pattern? I just feel it would give players an easier time to recognise what's going on I think it should be fine to keep this. If they're going to trouble with a pattern like this, I'd rather they see it earlier than later. They can get it on the next try.
  2. 00:23:767 (1) - any particular reason why the NC lengths are halved in this section? They're not. The previous combo was double length. Fixed it.
  3. 01:23:322 (3) - what do you think about turning this into a 1/1 slider and deleting 4? There is some contrast in rhythm between 1,2 and 3,4 and it would break up the relatively high rhythm density and give players a nice pause right before the second half of the kiai. If you change this then it might be a good idea to apply it here too 01:37:544 (3) - Current rhythm feels better to me. Using a 1/1 slider removes emphasis from 01:23:767 which I want to keep for building into the next phrase to match the song.

Naotoshi wrote:

[little]
00:14:878 (1,2,3) - this is too overlapped i think, really confusing. how about spreading it out a bit Made it friendlier.

at least it doesnt have those stupid labyrinth sliders I like my sliders tyvm.
Thanks.
http://f.ttle.li/juNO.zip
Karen
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Joined August 2013
Karen
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Karen
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Joined August 2013
Karen

Kawashiro wrote:

from my q

[Karen]
  1. 00:06:878 (2) - how about change them to 1/2 gap circles? I don't think skip 00:07:100 - this sound by sliderend is not good way to express here. the sound isn't important, i'm following 00:06:878 - this by the slider head
  2. 00:50:433 (1,2) - i can't understand y u put nc like this. is there any reason to put nc 00:50:878 (1) - here?
  3. 00:22:433 (3) - put nc will better imo. like 01:07:767 (1) - here
  4. 01:08:655 (1,1,1) -

    Ranking Criteria wrote:

    Every slider must have a clear and visible path to follow from start to end. Sliders which overlap themselves in a way that makes any section unreadable or ambiguous cannot be used, such as burai sliders and hold sliders without straightforward slider borders. When perfectly overlapping two slider bodies, the first slider must be fully faded out before the second slider is fully faded in.
    Look. Don't u think this sliders are unrankable? plz don't say its not perfectly overlapped cuz it has 0.03 ds. in game, its not perfectly overlapped cuz it has 0.03 ds. in gameautomatic stacking function works at here. This is obvious evidence to prove these sliders are perfectly overlapped. this rule is for make slider path clearly so you must fix them.
  5. 01:29:100 (3) - maybe you forgot to put nc at here.

Narcissu wrote:

[Karen's Expert]
  1. 00:35:545 (2) - drum finish ?
  2. 01:38:433 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - 这个琴音在1/3，下1/4大概换个drum系的音效正常点吧，00:21:100 (1,2,3) - 也是换drum 因为这里一串琴音所以我全加了whistle，并不是一定要1/3才加，有这个感觉就行
  3. 01:21:544 (1,2,3,4) - 都加hitnormal ? 不是有hitnormal吗
  4. 01:23:989 (4) - 我倾向放148|348 这种，分开难一点顺便包一下……话说这kiai 20秒和开头比基本没啥起伏，圈还少两个。需要remap 如果blanket会很别手
  5. pp nice diff

MaridiuS wrote:

heya a mod from idk where, but i've been told it needs mods

[karen]
00:13:100 (1) - not sure what makes you make this a none stream jump like 00:10:878 (1,2,3,4,1) - and 00:09:100 (1,2,3,4,1) - , even if you noticed something that makes it not a stream jump, I suggest you reconsider that, since if I can't notice it, than that means it really isn't needed to break the structure, right? 00:19:767 (1,2,3,4,1) - its counterpart is a stream jump
01:13:100 (1,2,3,4,1) - similar to this, even for variety sake, its too different and gives no emphasis to the strong beat to be called variety. If emphasis is being juggled, it feels unstructured, even if its for variety. 01:11:322 (1,2,3,4,1) - compared to this, the downbeat doesn't have any significant difference, it just feels empty to be given 0 spacing on it now.
01:15:322 (1) - especially this one since it's really prominent.
Reason that I've found is that you're maybe trying to make the second part of kiai more spicy with it being used consistently, but then on the end everything is stacked, please reconsider, if you're changing emphasis, then try to give in the latter parts of the kiai bigger stream jumps as a from of variety?

fixed all inconsistency issues

Milan- wrote:

Karen's Expert
-but you can't edit the .osu file that way, currently xd hmm? i don't think i edited anything or maybe i forgot?
-your 1/4 streams are way too similar to the 1/6 ones. more noticeable here 00:12:655 (1,2,3,4,1,1,2,1) - . ncs certainly help, but using a even lower distance in all the 1/6 would make everything much easier. or do like 01:37:100 (1,2,3,4,1,1,2,1) - , which is the other way around yea i noticed this but the spacing change is noticeable already imo

KanpanRin wrote:

[Karen's Expert]
01:08:655 (1,1,1) - maybe it would be unrankable? because the slider path blocked by others. they are not perfectly overlapped

Kisses wrote:

[notice]

Karen
  1. 00:22:433 (3,4,1,2,1) - How about rearranging things like so? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9386291 This would give more spacing for the latter notes which I think would be more appropriate to the song
  2. 00:36:655 (3,4) - stack like your other 1/4 beats? I thought you had stacked 1/4 beats and off stacked 1/2 beats for readability
  3. 00:36:989 (5,6) - ^
all fixed

Naotoshi wrote:

[karen]
00:13:396 (1,2,1,2,3,1) - this pattern played pretty awkwardly to me due to the stack of 2,3 causing the leftward movement to stop suddenly. how about replacing 2,3 with a slider at 00:13:767 (2) - ? i moved them above hope it plays better now

00:27:767 (2,3) - 00:41:988 (2,3) - etc. think 3/4 slider works better here. you can't see the effect of a 3/4 gap like this. actually, a circle with 3/4 gap would also be cool tbh. the circles are for vocals o.o

00:36:989 (5,6) - quad would be cute imo

01:08:655 (1,1,1) - the fact that the visual spacings are inconsistent tilts me ever so slightly but i don't know how to fix

01:22:433 (1,2,3,4) - ik that it might get a bit spammy but how about 2 1/2 sliders into circles? since there's a background harp thingy

01:25:100 (1,2) - dont u always use ctrl g pattern? why 120 here lol i like ctrl+g pattern but it's not like i don't use any other patterns lol

01:28:211 (3,4) - seems weird to break out of your nomal 1/1 > circle > 1/1 sstructure. also 1/2 spam doesnt really fit here imo.

Thanks!

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lcfc
813 posts
Joined October 2015
lcfc

Naotoshi wrote:

[lcfc]
00:05:211 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - way too big of a diffspike imo. not really a very comfortable movement like the one before the kiai and also just sort of pops out of nowhere. i suggest a smaller version of what you did at 01:07:433 (2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - instead to introduce it. made it easier to follow

00:18:433 (1,2,1) - isn't this way way easier than the other pattern? look at the amount of slider leniency abuse at 00:14:878 (1,2,1) - compared to this lol. try and make them a bit more similar moved the circle in the other side, making it more equally hard i think

00:27:767 (2,3,4) - dont think this is a good way of representing the 3/4 rhythm, as i told karen. constant 1/4 gaps dont really let you highlight the fact that it is 3/4, circle + 2 circles works better.
applies on all. circle + 2 circles make it quite derpy to read though, i think having it passive like now is better

01:28:100 - ? well i was trying to follow vocals but as this was mentioned before and I can agree it feels empty i'll just slightly overmap it for the sake of playability
Thank you!

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Pata-Mon
1,489 posts
Joined March 2015
Pata-Mon

Kisses wrote:

Patamon
  1. Consider deleting 00:00:656 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) . It would be a bit weird to the player since the lower insanes start at 00:06:433 ok
  2. 00:53:989 (1) - can you reduce the rhythm density here? this section is nice and calm but there is so much clicking here that it makes it no different than the other sections When I think the music is stronger, I will use continually circles. I mean, using a lot of 1/2 slider is not really dense imo, and 00:54:211 - 00:54:655 - are vocal, 00:54:433 - 00:54:878 - are drums, if I change the rhythm I feel weird as well so I wanna keep.
  3. 00:57:989 (3) - This object doesn't need increased spacing, it's not one of the emphatic sounds like 00:57:544 (1) - and 00:57:767 (2) - I'v listened several times to check again that 00:57:989 - has cymbal sound and drum too, same as 00:57:767 - so I think it's worth emphasising.
  4. 00:57:989 (3) - would you consider a 1/1 slider or something similar? It feels a bit weird that 00:57:989 (3) - and 00:58:655 (4) - have the same rhythm when they map completely different sounds ok
  5. 01:37:767 (5,6,7,1) - the jumps feel forced, these sounds aren't strong like your other jumps There are special sounds here I can hear it clearly, these sounds are similar with Softhitnormal8.wav, and same as 01:23:544 (3,4,5) - , so I use jumps.

Naotoshi wrote:

[patamon]
00:04:989 (3,4) - i know its weird rhythm on a hard diff but can you follow the blue tick rhythm better? Ahh, according to Kisses' mod, I deleted this part.

01:06:211 (5,1,2,3,4) - this pattern will be very confusing for noobs, can you unstack 2,3? it'll be easier to read that way. ok
Thanks for mods!

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Rizen
1,662 posts
Joined August 2013
Topic Starter
Rizen

Naotoshi wrote:

[insane]
00:06:433 (1,1) - nice stack!!! fixded

00:13:322 (2,3) - i think these patterns put a really weird stopping motion , moving 3 away feels nicer to me ok

00:22:433 (4,5) - uhh the blue tick is much stronger than the red at 00:22:544 - , u should do cicle>repeat slider instead or something changed to a slider

00:33:544 (5) - tbh i think a 1/1 break fits nicely here with the vocals percussion on tick

00:42:211 (3) - delet plz, the 3/4 vocal gets messed up so hard by this =( changed 00:41:989 (2) - to a slider for consistency with 00:27:767 (2) - and also because I don't want to leave 3/4 gaps in the diff x(

01:16:655 (3,4,5,6,1) - this is actually really hard to play with the speed changes at a wide angle. could you try and space them equally instead so it plays nicer The decrease in spacing here is to refelct the downward scale at this part of hte music. It also acts as a transition between kiai 'parts' and also as a precursor to 01:22:433 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -

short note about all of these: 00:09:433 (8) -
i dont think they should be there. i get that you're trying to maintain the pacing of the song and whatnot but there's a very clear pause in the vocals / melody that isn't represented well by constant 1/4 fills. if you leave a 1/2 gap it shows that nicely imo. yes this applies to all of the 8s lol I removed from the first part but not in the chorus as there are those guzheng instruments on those ticks (not in the first part)

[easy]
00:43:216 - around here seems a bit too dense rhythm wise simplified rhythm here a bit

01:22:767 - this is pretty tough cuz of all the sliders, can you try and make one of em a circle or something. same with other similar areas. slider spam is quite hard for noobs, even at this bpm. try and use a few more circles. changed to much clearer circles


k

Kisses wrote:

Easy

  • name change suggestion as we discussed ~ Actually doormat wants to give his opinion so let's wait on him first
  1. 00:13:100 (4) - ending this on the white tick would suit the song better imho as that's where the main melody lies on (the same melody that you've been following in the beginning) ok
  2. 00:21:544 (6) - what do you think of a circle here instead? there's quite some contrast between 00:21:100 (5,6) - done
  3. 00:33:544 (4) - moving to 00:33:322 would fit the vocal layer a lot better yiip
  4. 00:43:989 (5,6) - ctrl + g for vocal layer again? it would be nice if you just stuck to the vocals for this entire section. It would give better cohesion with parts like 00:40:433 (4,5) - did something slightly different from nao's mid
  5. 01:21:544 (2,3,4,5) - density feels a bit too high for the lowest diff even with the low bpm. Suggestion? https://i.imgur.com/IOImeC7.png did somethign different
  6. 01:15:100 (3,4) - would it be possible for you to make the flow less strict by having the path of 4 go in a similar direction as 3? like you did for 01:29:322 (3,4) - and 01:36:433 (3,4) - ok

Insane
  1. 00:56:211 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - any chance you could use some sliders here? I don't think full circles does this part justice, added a slider around the beginning. I think circles later on work better with the multiple vocal ticks there
  2. 00:54:989 (4) - deleting this would be could imo. It would omit the only 1/4 circle so you would really feel the "slowdown" effect of the song. if that makes sense ok
  3. 01:15:989 (4,5,1) and 01:30:211 (4,5,1) - how come you chose to use spacing this big? It feels like you've just been putting emphasis mainly on the vocals and this has really high spacing when it doesn't come across as an emphatic rhythm, more of a filler. made more even
  4. 01:38:878 (1) - unnecessary NC? removeded
  5. 01:38:433 (1,1) - it could be a nice idea to shorten these 1 tick to make the hitwindow between the next object a bit more comfortable. Though it's fine the way it is aswell doesn't fit well with the music ;(

oh can you get a source as well? https://www.bilibili.com/video/av1731565/
will finish modding soon
_handholding
3,109 posts
Joined April 2014
_handholding
@LCFC can you explain to me why you think those 1/8 would give a better experience over a circle? The patterns play exactly like a 1/4 triplet and with the drawbacks of being slightly tricky to read (for some of the lesser skilled players) because of the visuals, and the hitwindow of the object after the slider is drastically reduced making it harder to get 300 acc.

On top of that the 1/4 beats are actually overmapped (though I don't have a problem with that as I see them as a nice way of actually reflecting the song). If the 1/4 beats are overmapped then surely 1/8 is just overkill right?
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If you can convince me after replying to both lines I'll leave it at that ~
lcfc
813 posts
Joined October 2015
lcfc
irc'd with kisses and we've come to an agreement to keep the 1/8 but improve the visual consistency among them; all 1/8 ish bursts are straight now!

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GIDZ
1,002 posts
Joined January 2013
GIDZ

Naotoshi wrote:

[gidz]
00:21:989 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - looks like a 1/4 gap, can u space these away a bit more? It's 1.2x spaced like previous pattern 00:21:100 (5,6) -

00:25:989 (1) - imo remove nc Just emphasizing the vocals more here with the NC as they are split into sets of 2

00:32:211 (1) - same I rly wanna emphasize the sets of 2 xd

00:37:989 (1,2,3,4) - this rhythm seems a bit meh cuz 00:38:433 - is pretty strong but more importance is given to the random filler at 00:38:655 - lol. how about 2 1/2 sliders (at 00:37:989 - and 00:38:433 - with a filler circle at 00:38:767 -) I removed the triplet to make it 1/2 rhythms

00:53:767 (6,1,2,3) - imo these all sound weird cuz they dont line up with the vocal which is pretty prominent. how about putting the sliders on the red ticks? uhh I don't want theis part to be dense cuz it's relatively more calm compared to other parts of the map so I utilized 1/2 sliders just to emphasize the basic 4/4 rhythm and also I want to make 00:55:322 - clickable as there is a strong snare sound.

01:22:433 (1,3) - arent these following 1/2 things? why not 1/2 sliders lol Yes they are 1/2 rhythms but there is also a slight key change at 01:22:544 - if you listen carefully so I wanna emphasize that with a reverse slider. The rhythm created by the reverse is still 1/2 in length so it should be fine.
Tks!

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Rizen
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Rizen
updated!
_handholding
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_handholding
I'll do a quick recheck before bubbling
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@patamon 00:32:655 (1,2,3,4,5) - what do you think about this rhythm (or something similar)? https://i.imgur.com/dKXYzDC.png . The whole verse uses non stop clicking so I thought a short break at 00:33:322 would have been nice, it keeps your style too

@LCFC 01:38:655 (2,2) - ctr+ g these individual sliders? would make it slightly easier to read and navigate through the pattern https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9414461

@Rizen drum-sliderslide8.wav is unused
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ok let me know if patamon and LCFC agree or not then I'll be ready to bubble

edit: everything has been addressed
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Pata-Mon
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Pata-Mon
@Kisses I don't really want to ignore the obviously drum sounds (00:33:544 - ), and I didn't ignore any drum sound in this part, so I think keeping this rhythm is the best choise xD
Rizen
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Rizen
applied for LCFC

removed delay on hitsounds
_handholding
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_handholding
confirmed drum-sliderslide8.wav is used in Karen's diff ~
Karen
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Karen
nice :)
Rizen
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Rizen
flippity dabbity bop
Nao Tomori
Nomination Assessment Team
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Nao Tomori
hopefully nobody notices the unsnapped slider on karen's diff
Mint
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Mint
gratz!! thanks for including rib x ito mp3!!!
Yumeno Himiko
Elite Storyboarder
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Yumeno Himiko
I love this set ;)

I would make a storyboard if I knew this earlier :(
09kami
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09kami
nice
kotori siji
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kotori siji
我永远喜欢冷鸟
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