Mazziv wrote:

This song was mapped by caren,thats how i found out about it. Caren is also the biggest inspiration for me in terms of mapping.At first i named every diff with ''_sk'' at the end to show that,but later on people suggested to remove that due people could be thinking they were all made by caren.So i decided to just roll with the background she used.

Mazziv wrote:

at the timing where i started this mapset i had little to no time so i went with a cut version.

Kagetsu wrote:

late again

Mazziv wrote:

This song was mapped by caren,thats how i found out about it. Caren is also the biggest inspiration for me in terms of mapping.At first i named every diff with ''_sk'' at the end to show that,but later on people suggested to remove that due people could be thinking they were all made by caren.So i decided to just roll with the background she used.

to be honest this doesn't make much sense to me s: it's completely fine to use someone else maps as inspiration though your point is kinda weak as it doesn't provide a valid reason, i would say the same about caren's map, it doesn't change the fact that the bg is unrelated to the song after a long hiatus i come back and rank this. so i changed that!

Mazziv wrote:

at the timing where i started this mapset i had little to no time so i went with a cut version.

i mean, i think you can do it better by cutting the ending part of the song and merging it with the end of the first chorus. it's a very common technique. the current cut sounds poorly done tbh i really dont know how to make it better,i bought the song but i cant find a way to change the ending in a way that it fits

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those are the reasons that are holding me back from nominating this. of course you don't have to change your map if you think my points are invalid or maybe you like the map the way it is, though i don't think i'm going to nominate this map in its current state

1. any reason why gders aren't in the diff names?

1. 00:24:865 (3,4) - music has same vocal emphasis as 00:22:465 (3) - so follow same rhythm would be good idea yes
2. 0:46:465 (3,4) - while ds is maintained, it looks a bit off compared to the rest of the map because of how close the slider borders are to each other. is it possible to change the angles to make them look less claustrophic?

1. 00:44:965 (5,6,1) - three 1/2 rhythms in succession at 200 bpm might be pushing it a bit too much. can you simplify (5,6) into a 1/2 slider instead?

1. 00:30:865 (1) - 00:32:065 (1) - 00:33:265 (1) - holy shit you don't need the finishes on the repeats/slider end, it sounds waaaaay too loud. just putting a finish on the slider start is good. alternatively, you can change the finishes on the repeats/slider end to whistles; that would work better than finishes
2. 00:34:465 (1,2,3,4) - you could move the (3) closer so that (1,2,3,4) forms a square formation
3. 00:35:665 (1,2,1,2) - this density decrease is incredibly underwhelming. after coming off of the bridge with an intense rhythm, this simplified rhythm for vocals breaks the excitement of the song. i highly recommend reworking the rhythm here; maybe follow the guitars or drums instead
4. 00:40:465 (1,2,1) - 00:43:165 (1) - ^yeah
5. seriously though, it starts to get more intense again at 00:44:665 (2) - so the density decrease at the beginning of the kiai just comes across as underwhelming and off

1. 00:31:165 (3) - a whistle works more effectively than a finish tbh; there's no loud cymbal crash or anything so a finish for the sake of a finish ends up sounding out of place
2. 00:32:365 (3) - 00:33:565 (3) - ^yeah
3. 00:37:765 (4,5,1) - 1/4 spacing is too high and out of place given the rest of the map's spacing. highly recommend you nerf the spacing, or delete the (5)

Doormat wrote:

ok i'm 4 months late lol

[General]

1. any reason why gders aren't in the diff names?

originaly all diffs were named ''difficulty_sk'' because caren's map inspired me mapping the song so i just wanted to leave it as a small thanks but its too confusing so i rolled with lowcaps std diffnames

[Easy]

1. 00:24:865 (3,4) - music has same vocal emphasis as 00:22:465 (3) - so follow same rhythm would be good idea yes yes but the vocals are clearly 1/2 thats why i made them 2 1/2 sliders
2. 0:46:465 (3,4) - while ds is maintained, it looks a bit off compared to the rest of the map because of how close the slider borders are to each other. is it possible to change the angles to make them look less claustrophic? fixd! (i think)

[Insane]

1. 00:31:165 (3) - a whistle works more effectively than a finish tbh; there's no loud cymbal crash or anything so a finish for the sake of a finish ends up sounding out of place done!
2. 00:32:365 (3) - 00:33:565 (3) - ^yeah yea
3. 00:37:765 (4,5,1) - 1/4 spacing is too high and out of place given the rest of the map's spacing. highly recommend you nerf the spacing, or delete the (5) deleted 5!

hard kiai needs a bit of reworking; fix it and call me back after 1-2 mods Will do fam!

Doormat wrote:

1. 00:30:865 (1) - 00:32:065 (1) - 00:33:265 (1) - holy shit you don't need the finishes on the repeats/slider end, it sounds waaaaay too loud. just putting a finish on the slider start is good. alternatively, you can change the finishes on the repeats/slider end to whistles; that would work better than finishes Oh damn, these finishes were supposed to be on the drum sampleset. No wonder why they were too much for the song ^^'. I changed that so if they still are too loud just let me know
2. 00:34:465 (1,2,3,4) - you could move the (3) closer so that (1,2,3,4) forms a square formation Fixed

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zev wrote:

anime feet

DTM9 Nowa wrote:

In this song vocals are extremely important when it comes to the general intensity. The slow long sliders fit the change from the shouting really well. It might break the excitement but it fits to the change really well since the song kinda loses it's intensity as well. No changes regarding that.

zev wrote:

spacing is immensely higher than a Normal nor an Easy difficulty you cannot really use that as a comparison imo

1/1 sliders fit the vocals quite nicely because naturally how sliders work they tend to make flow feel more loosely
which compliments the swinging feel of the vocals well i would say, just making it more dense for the sake of being a Hard difficulty is rather lame as this way raises song expression alot

you could literally do something like this to keep it from feeling so underwhelming while keeping the same core ideas

Doormat wrote:

i strongly disagree; while song vocals do have a factor when it comes to general intensity, you also cannot ignore the instrumentals. by ignoring the instrumentals and going straight for the vocals you end up simplifying the song to something that one would expect in an Easy or Normal difficulty, not a Hard difficulty.

Doormat wrote:

your argument would be stronger if you hadn't made the second half of the chorus (starting at 00:44:665 (2) - ) more instrumental focused, which ends up clashing too much with the much less dense first half.

Doormat wrote:

the map has a dense use of 1/2 spacing which it uses to build up intensity. that comes with an expectation that the chorus would at the very least keep that level of intensity, since it's the climax of the song. instead, the choice of the 1/1 gap in between those vocal notes at the start of the chorus breaks that feeling of intensity and it ends up feeling underwhelming. it's only exacerbated further when the density of the second half of the chorus is increased by that much. it creates a disparity between the two halves, and it results in the chorus feeling inconsistent with itself.

Doormat wrote:

if a 1/1 gap was used at a less intense section of the song (like what you did at 00:30:865 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - ) i think it could work well, but i don't think that would work in the chorus's case since this is a really aggressive punk-rock song.

Doormat wrote:

if you wanted to map to vocal emphasis, then make that more obvious and don't blend the instrumental track with the vocal track so much in the second half of the chorus. alternatively, and this is what i recommend you do, you could quite literally add a few stacked circles in between some of the 1/1 sliders to maintain the swinging feel of the vocals while making the density feel much more appropriate but hey apparently i have to spoonfeed you the answer.

Doormat wrote:

you could literally do something like this to keep it from feeling so underwhelming while keeping the same core ideas

Doormat wrote:

then again this is just my opinion, and if you don't like what i'm suggesting then don't apply it. i still expect a response from the mapper and not from one of his friends to try and justify his mapping for him.

Kalibe wrote:

from 00:49:915 (1) - claps are missing on places which should be used. it kinda ruins feedback for song uwu

also in easy diff same thing

Mazziv wrote:

Kalibe wrote:

from 00:49:915 (1) - claps are missing on places which should be used. it kinda ruins feedback for song uwu

also in easy diff same thing

how does it ruin feedback? i dont think adding claps will change much tbh