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SnowTheme
Hello I looked over your Normal Map this is what i noticed.

You can place more Beats like here 00:03:195 - or here 00:07:695 - ( If you dont want to its ok too but i dont see a reason to not place them if there is a beat )

Also you often used Slider like this 00:20:445 (1) - which are totaly fine in your higher difficulties but if the Map is suppost to be for beginners (at least thats what i think, i would change them to a single beat otherwhise just let them like this you already have a easy Map for beginners.
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Uhm Lets Talk about your Audio Settings, i dont see a reason to lower everything on 30%. Lower and higher Audio should be used to highlight or emphasize a part but as a setting for the whole map its kinda pointless.
Maybe you can at least higher the volume for the kiai part so the part get highlighted even more. ( Which could be good because the Song is pretty calm even this part you used kiai)

At example you could also higher the volume on this part 00:16:320 (1) - because the music already rises.
Its even higher here 00:18:570 (1) - You can use a even higher volume here.

Another thing if the Map should be for beginners, i would delete the spinner and just use a break here 01:15:391 (1) - Because they wouldnt be able to react fast enough..

I hope i could help you at least a little bit, the Map is realy good its realy hard to complain about it ^^

Mfg
Suissie
Hoi. Ich mach jetzt eifach mal en Schwiizertüütsche mod will ich cool bin und so

[Astray]
Vlt wetsch sliderbodys mute. Finde die töned nöd so schön.
00:23:820 (1,2,3) - ich fänd de bitzli schöner wenn en chli nach rechts rotiersch. nur es Müh
00:26:445 (2,1) - ka wotsch nöd dass de Sliderschwanz perfekt de SliderKörper vo 00:28:320 (1) - überlappt
00:35:445 (1,2) - guet hesch das jetzt no ane bracht aber ich wür die zwei straight mache demit en dütliche übergang hesch zum nächste Patterns.
00:56:641 (1,2) - finds irgendwie nöd so schön wenn die genau grad abe lueget.
00:59:266 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - cute
01:04:141 (3) - ich wür de echli verschiebe wege blanket.
01:10:891 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - sex
01:06:391 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - sex
chönt doch chli cuter si. 01:19:891 (3) - de schient auch chli langwiilig zsi
00:32:070 (1) - sötsch vlt de Kopf hitsounde 00:46:141 (1) - de au

[Schwär]
mach doch grad ar 7 :3
00:11:820 (1,2) - 00:12:945 (1,2) - ewww mute wenigstens sliderschwänz mit emene mutete ton.
00:39:195 (2,3,4) - mach doch de Abstand zwüschet de slider öppe glich gross gseht komisch us.

[Normal]
00:09:570 (1) - komisch hitsounded ka.

[Eifach]
gseht guet us
nvm 01:06:391 (1,2) - eww
01:10:891 (1,2,3,4) - mach die chli wiiter usenand. chli meh spacing schadet keinere Flüge öppis.

Ja suscht isch das ja eh gueti Sach. Viel Glück.
Topic Starter
David-

Suissie wrote:

Hoi. Ich mach jetzt eifach mal en Schwiizertüütsche mod will ich cool bin und so Respond denn mal au so :P

[Astray]
Vlt wetsch sliderbodys mute. Finde die töned nöd so schön.
Ich hans mer mal mitem default skin ahglost und muess der zuehstimme, es tönt echt nöd guet lol.
00:23:820 (1,2,3) - ich fänd de bitzli schöner wenn en chli nach rechts rotiersch. nur es Müh
Ich finds guet wie es grad isch :>, es wär mer denn znöch am "L" shape.
00:26:445 (2,1) - ka wotsch nöd dass de Sliderschwanz perfekt de SliderKörper vo 00:28:320 (1) - überlappt
Ich hans probiert, aber das woni jetzt han findich isch ih ordnig, es wür d'visuals recht beihflusse.
00:35:445 (1,2) - guet hesch das jetzt no ane bracht aber ich wür die zwei straight mache demit en dütliche übergang hesch zum nächste Patterns.
Macht sinn, isch sogar consistent! ^^

00:56:641 (1,2) - finds irgendwie nöd so schön wenn die genau grad abe lueget.
Hans es bitz rotated demits nüm so grädlich sind.
00:59:266 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - cute ʢ◉ᴥ◉ʡ
01:04:141 (3) - ich wür de echli verschiebe wege blanket.
Hans es bitz verschobe aber s'blanket isch mer dete ned wichtig.
01:10:891 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - sex wink
01:06:391 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - sex wink
chönt doch chli cuter si. 01:19:891 (3) - de schient auch chli langwiilig zsi
Ja das will ich no ändere, isch momentan recht low effort
Update: Changed


00:32:070 (1) - sötsch vlt de Kopf hitsounde 00:46:141 (1) - de au
Yup!

[Schwär]
mach doch grad ar 7 :3
Jenachdem ob anderi es au vorschlönd, bin unsure.
00:11:820 (1,2) - 00:12:945 (1,2) - ewww mute wenigstens sliderschwänz mit emene mutete ton.
Will do that
00:39:195 (2,3,4) - mach doch de Abstand zwüschet de slider öppe glich gross gseht komisch us.
Stimmt

[Normal]
00:09:570 (1) - komisch hitsounded ka.
Yep, de uninherited point sött eigentlich drum sii

[Eifach]
gseht guet us
nvm 01:06:391 (1,2) - eww
Es sötti d'musig guet gnueg repräsentiere, isch halt eh visual choice, paar findets eww, paar ned.
01:10:891 (1,2,3,4) - mach die chli wiiter usenand. chli meh spacing schadet keinere Flüge öppis.
Yea

Ja suscht isch das ja eh gueti Sach. Viel Glück. Merci und danke für de mod! :>
Topic Starter
David-

SnowTheme wrote:

Hello I looked over your Normal Map this is what i noticed.

You can place more Beats like here 00:03:195 - or here 00:07:695 - ( If you dont want to its ok too but i dont see a reason to not place them if there is a beat )
It wouldnt follow the music pattern I chose and might sound random.

Also you often used Slider like this 00:20:445 (1) - which are totaly fine in your higher difficulties but if the Map is suppost to be for beginners (at least thats what i think, i would change them to a single beat otherwhise just let them like this you already have a easy Map for beginners.
The Easy difficulty is generally supposed to only have 1/1 and slower rythm density as the Normal difficulty has 1/1 with occasional 1/2. And since Normal is meant for player who kinda got the grasp of playing the game, reading those slider (e.g 00:20:445 (1,2) - ) should be possible in my opinion.
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Uhm Lets Talk about your Audio Settings, i dont see a reason to lower everything on 30%. Lower and higher Audio should be used to highlight or emphasize a part but as a setting for the whole map its kinda pointless.
Maybe you can at least higher the volume for the kiai part so the part get highlighted even more. ( Which could be good because the Song is pretty calm even this part you used kiai)

At example you could also higher the volume on this part 00:16:320 (1) - because the music already rises.
Its even higher here 00:18:570 (1) - You can use a even higher volume here.
Right! I definitely should adjust the volume properly for specific parts ^^, for example as you said heightening the kiai!

Another thing if the Map should be for beginners, i would delete the spinner and just use a break here 01:15:391 (1) - Because they wouldnt be able to react fast enough..
The spinner should be fine according to the Ranking Criteria ("Avoid spinners less than 3 beats.") and theres is quite a big gap following up, so it should be fine as it is.

I hope i could help you at least a little bit, the Map is realy good its realy hard to complain about it ^^
Thank you! Btw, dont worry all mods are of use in my opinion! ^^
Mfg
Swell

  • Astray


    00:37:695 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,1,2,3) - not too satisfied with the rhythm here. When the bass synth starts at 00:36:195 (1,2,1,2) - you start with sliders, but the afterwards you switch to circles.
    I'm just wondering if it would be better to make the hitcircles into sliders or vice versa; Making the sliders hitcirles.

    everything else in this diff is p solid. nice job!

    Easy


    00:05:070 (1) - no 1/2 slider like before? you were following the main melody synth before.
    It looks like you started to switch to the bass synth after this point to so if you wanna save yourself some work i'd just get rid of the 1/2 at 00:00:570 (1) - and make it a circle.

    00:27:570 (1,2) - could make this rhythm one big repeat slider. repeat sliders are cool. likewise at similar rhythm stuff.

    also a bit more general but super optional thing. easies i think are a good place to make movement more apparent.
    since you can do much rhythm wise, it's nice to make players move a lot. so i'd do stuff like make wave sliders more wave-y or just more cruved out stuff.
    It'd be a lot of work tho and the easy is already fine for the most part so it's up to you to see if that's worth it.


    but yeah that's about it, this is a good set and would like to see it ranked soon!
gtfo

Swell wrote:


  • Easy


    00:05:070 (1) - no 1/2 slider like before? you were following the main melody synth before.
    It looks like you started to switch to the bass synth after this point to so if you wanna save yourself some work i'd just get rid of the 1/2 at 00:00:570 (1) - and make it a circle. I wanted to give the player a bit of room to recover especially after that 'hard' repeat slider which is challenging for new players. There's a distinct sound which is mappable every 1/1. I tried to vary between objects to give new players a still stimulating experience. But you're right this first slider might as well be a circle I'll add that.

    00:27:570 (1,2) - could make this rhythm one big repeat slider. repeat sliders are cool. likewise at similar rhythm stuff. Could as you say. But both choices are viable. I decided to go for the easier pattern for new players. Less repeat sliders more circles. On that point i might as well say that I'm actually concerned with the difficulty of this 00:36:570 (1,2,3) - lol

    also a bit more general but super optional thing. easies i think are a good place to make movement more apparent.
    since you can do much rhythm wise, it's nice to make players move a lot. so i'd do stuff like make wave sliders more wave-y or just more cruved out stuff.
    It'd be a lot of work tho and the easy is already fine for the most part so it's up to you to see if that's worth it. Could have done it but tbh I dont really think it matters too much for a newer player as long as they look good.


    but yeah that's about it, this is a good set and would like to see it ranked soon! Thanks man.
Topic Starter
David-

Swell wrote:


  • Astray


    00:37:695 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,1,2,3) - not too satisfied with the rhythm here. When the bass synth starts at 00:36:195 (1,2,1,2) - you start with sliders, but the afterwards you switch to circles.
    I'm just wondering if it would be better to make the hitcircles into sliders or vice versa; Making the sliders hitcirles.

    I'll try to explain what I've been thinking when creating that rythm along with the pattern:
    Listening to the synth (Idk if its actually called synth lol)
    those two sliders 00:36:195 (1,2) - lead into a higher pitch and kinda sound like they are going down-up,
    followed by those 2 00:36:945 (1,2) - which lead from a rather high pitch into a lower one, like up-down.
    But now theres those sounds that continously go down in a 1/1 rythm + a downbeat.
    So I thought of making it stand out more by using less rythm density with circles and let them go down constantly.
    Then there's another downbeat where I use circles with spacing thats supposed to emphasize the heightening pitch.
    The wavy slider centered to stand out more aswell.
    Then it basicly repeats so I just repeated the same pattern again.

    I could've used sliders for it, altough since the previous part was mainly filled with sliders already,
    I felt like it wouldnt stand out as much without using more circles to highlight it more clearly.


    everything else in this diff is p solid. nice job! I'm not so sure about the Hitsounds lol

    Easy Naiko answered


    00:05:070 (1) - no 1/2 slider like before? you were following the main melody synth before.
    It looks like you started to switch to the bass synth after this point to so if you wanna save yourself some work i'd just get rid of the 1/2 at 00:00:570 (1) - and make it a circle.

    00:27:570 (1,2) - could make this rhythm one big repeat slider. repeat sliders are cool. likewise at similar rhythm stuff.

    also a bit more general but super optional thing. easies i think are a good place to make movement more apparent.
    since you can do much rhythm wise, it's nice to make players move a lot. so i'd do stuff like make wave sliders more wave-y or just more cruved out stuff.
    It'd be a lot of work tho and the easy is already fine for the most part so it's up to you to see if that's worth it.


    but yeah that's about it, this is a good set and would like to see it ranked soon!
    Thank you! ^^
Mirash
whos naiko

Astray
00:08:820 (1,2,1,2) - having same distance between this two is misleading, could fix by ncing 00:09:757 (2) - or maybe ctr g on 00:09:945 (3) - and stack note on slider
00:20:445 (1) - since it is not that important in the music, having such a jump here feels bad, ctr g fits better imo
00:55:891 (2) - yes, (3) has more strong sound, but in this case having them on the equal distances https://i.imgur.com/FlT84G0.png is more nice, since this section is less dense than the previous and some players may missread

Naiko's Hard
00:28:320 (3) - hey make this https://i.imgur.com/WSQa2Gh.png you have 00:28:132 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - same rhythm 3 times and it feels bad and boring, also music follows better imo, maybe a little bit too dense though
00:32:820 (3) - ye, same
00:54:016 (2) - feels out of place, it doesn't belongs to any of current section sliders, something like copy of 00:54:391 (3) - seem better https://i.imgur.com/2PyJmkg.png
00:56:266 (2) - and this is somehow acceptable cuz no melody xD

Normal
01:04:703 - i don't remember you skipping melody in this difficulty before, might be reasonable to put a repeat slider, it'll require some replacements though xD
Topic Starter
David-

Mirash wrote:

whos naiko That'd be gtfo lol. Its his previous username

Astray
00:08:820 (1,2,1,2) - having same distance between this two is misleading, could fix by ncing 00:09:757 (2) - or maybe ctr g on 00:09:945 (3) - and stack note on slider
I did change the pattern, although, in a different way than your suggestions since they didn't really fit in.
00:08:820 (1,2) - I increased the spacing between those two circles so it doesn't look like it has the same spacing anymore.
(I was able to correct a spacing mistake I made with said change which is pretty neat)


00:20:445 (1) - since it is not that important in the music, having such a jump here feels bad, ctr g fits better imo
I feel like the spacing is appropriate comparing it to the rest of the map spacing wise and using Ctrl+g would kinda kill the "flow" of it.
And imo it has enough importance to do so.


00:55:891 (2) - yes, (3) has more strong sound, but in this case having them on the equal distances https://i.imgur.com/FlT84G0.png is more nice, since this section is less dense than the previous and some players may missread
I don't want to change it for the sake of playability if it, as you said yourself, already makes sense.
(I'd change it if more people are turning out to be against it tho.)

Naiko's Hard Naiko/gtfo's will answer to it
00:28:320 (3) - hey make this https://i.imgur.com/WSQa2Gh.png you have 00:28:132 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - same rhythm 3 times and it feels bad and boring, also music follows better imo, maybe a little bit too dense though
00:32:820 (3) - ye, same
00:54:016 (2) - feels out of place, it doesn't belongs to any of current section sliders, something like copy of 00:54:391 (3) - seem better https://i.imgur.com/2PyJmkg.png
00:56:266 (2) - and this is somehow acceptable cuz no melody xD

Normal
01:04:703 - i don't remember you skipping melody in this difficulty before, might be reasonable to put a repeat slider, it'll require some replacements though xD
01:02:453 - ye
I actually feel like that a 1/2 repeat slider into an object is too hard when compared to previous parts in that map lol.
It would also lead into another repeat (or maybe a circle) which would altogether lead into too many 1/2 objects I a row compared to previous parts in the map (even when considering its kiai).
And I don't want to have 3 consecutive 1/2 beat objects in a row in that diff so I kinda almost had to skip it.


Thank you for the mod!
gtfo

Mirash wrote:

whos naiko me.

Naiko's Hard
00:28:320 (3) - hey make this https://i.imgur.com/WSQa2Gh.png you have 00:28:132 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - same rhythm 3 times and it feels bad and boring, also music follows better imo, maybe a little bit too dense though. I feel like it's fine being kind of boring. I'd map those 1/2's with sliders but then there would be no difference to 00:30:945 (1,2,3) - and 00:36:195 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3) -. Circles would make that part even intenser even though it being clearly less instense than the mentioned parts. If more people complain I'll change it.
00:32:820 (3) - ye, same ^
00:54:016 (2) - feels out of place, it doesn't belongs to any of current section sliders, something like copy of 00:54:391 (3) - seem better https://i.imgur.com/2PyJmkg.png You're right. Fixed
00:56:266 (2) - and this is somehow acceptable cuz no melody xD totally see that
Deramok
i was reminded that i said i'd mod the other difficulties on this and since you're still updating this i'm assuming you're still trying to push it forward

hard
  1. 00:16:320 (1,2,3,4) - one of them is stacked manually as opposed to everything else (which doesn't matter too much but is going to be visible and stand out with hr)
  2. 00:28:132 (2,4,6) - since the 1/1 sliders focus on the low long sounds and skip the 1/2 ones, these singles come off as more of a filler than anything of essence and seem to artificially increase the pace by increasing activity density and they're at odds with 00:29:820 (7,1) - . they're not hugely distrubing but it might be in your interest to kill them
  3. 00:39:195 (2,3) - with the sound of 3 sort of being a climax it could be nice to give it some standout element. for example using ctrl g on both sliders individually
  4. 01:10:141 (6,7,8) - could flip these by 180° in order to give 7 & 8 a differentiating nuance from the preceeding notes
  5. 01:13:141 (1) - just as an idea since the pitches work differently on this set, you could ctrl g it. might just need some position rearrangement for the spacing.
normal
  1. 00:02:820 (3,1,2) - the sharp angle there can disorient normal level players as it is a bit of an out of concept flow that you don't really use otherwise in the map to this extend, especially not on other similar sounds as well. moving 2 up would counteract it
  2. 00:28:695 (2,2) - might not be the best idea to have those. on a normal level mixing song layers that diverge from the focus at hand is already difficult, doing so with a 1/2 slider that doesn't really have anything which belongs to focused instrument on the slider end is probably just confusing. so 'd at least make it just a single
  3. 00:37:320 (4,7) - the turns are not consistent with eachother, ending them up nonsensically.
  4. 00:48:391 (3,4,5) - just not sure what these are mapped to exactly, either i'm just blanking out or it needs clarification
  5. 01:13:141 (5,1,2,3) - suggesting the same as on the hard here, just that it can work out with less tempering around even with the spinner https://puu.sh/yS4YQ/19a50d7c25.png (don't mind the wrong nc on the image)
easy
00:36:570 (1,2,3) - from here on things get really slider heavy until the kiai, which is discouraged for easy difficulties and might do well on getting some modifications. specifically these three are too much one way or the other though. easy players have enough trouble dealing with single repeat sliders, so chaining three is a stretch

top one was talked about via discord some time ago
Topic Starter
David-

Deramok wrote:

i was reminded that i said i'd mod the other difficulties on this and since you're still updating this i'm assuming you're still trying to push it forward That one was unexpected, thank you!

I'll include gtfo's replies in this post.

easy
  1. 00:36:570 (1,2,3) - from here on things get really slider heavy until the kiai, which is discouraged for easy difficulties and might do well on getting some modifications. specifically these three are too much one way or the other though. easy players have enough trouble dealing with single repeat sliders, so chaining three is a stretch
    The repeat thing is true, fixed.
normal
  1. 00:02:820 (3,1,2) - the sharp angle there can disorient normal level players as it is a bit of an out of concept flow that you don't really use otherwise in the map to this extend, especially not on other similar sounds as well. moving 2 up would counteract it
    I cant really see it out of context in any way, probably because I had no concept in mind for 2/1 rythm gaps in this particular difficulty. Altough, I dont feel like it is that confusing to newcomers since its happening in the first 2 seconds of the map.
    Also I'm using sharp angles in 2/1 gaps several times (e.g. 00:22:695 (1,2,3) - which is even sharper, 01:03:016 (3,4,1) - same here).

  2. 00:28:695 (2,2) - might not be the best idea to have those. on a normal level mixing song layers that diverge from the focus at hand is already difficult, doing so with a 1/2 slider that doesn't really have anything which belongs to focused instrument on the slider end is probably just confusing. so 'd at least make it just a single
    That drum-ish sound is what I'm trying to emphasize here, since its really audible and a single circle sounds very dull and underwhelming to me. (It would sound correct though, to use a single circle.)
  3. 00:37:320 (4,7) - the turns are not consistent with eachother, ending them up nonsensically.
    Im pretty unsure about that one, but what I tried to emphasize here is the synth and I tried to make it have more focus at the triangle and the overlap in it, which overlaps at the sound where the drum support is appearent.
    I also tried to emphasize the way the synth goes up and down with those turns, it maybe has flaws but I can't seem to notice any.

  4. 00:48:391 (3,4,5) - just not sure what these are mapped to exactly, either i'm just blanking out or it needs clarification
    Its missing something at 00:52:141 - I tried to fix it, should be better now. (01:01:141 - Same here)
    01:00:766 (6,7,1) - I wonder if that overlap is now problematic though
    Update: changed pattern
  5. 01:13:141 (5,1,2,3) - suggesting the same as on the hard here, just that it can work out with less tempering around even with the spinner https://puu.sh/yS4YQ/19a50d7c25.png (don't mind the wrong nc on the image)
    The idea here is to resemble the Easy difficulty (You probably noticed it.), whereas Hard and Astray got some more fancy patterns to them, so I'd like to keep it like that.
    It is a good suggestion though, because it would fix the cramped up feeling of what I currently have.
hard
  1. 00:16:320 (1,2,3,4) - one of them is stacked manually as opposed to everything else (which doesn't matter too much but is going to be visible and stand out with hr)
    Yep, fixed.
  2. 00:28:132 (2,4,6) - since the 1/1 sliders focus on the low long sounds and skip the 1/2 ones, these singles come off as more of a filler than anything of essence and seem to artificially increase the pace by increasing activity density and they're at odds with 00:29:820 (7,1) - . they're not hugely distrubing but it might be in your interest to kill them
    Without them it wouldn't be dense enough rythmically for a hard diff and the filler was actually intended.
  3. 00:39:195 (2,3) - with the sound of 3 sort of being a climax it could be nice to give it some standout element. for example using ctrl g on both sliders individually
    Applied.
  4. 01:10:141 (6,7,8) - could flip these by 180° in order to give 7 & 8 a differentiating nuance from the preceeding notes
    I... dont get what you mean...
  5. 01:13:141 (1) - just as an idea since the pitches work differently on this set, you could ctrl g it. might just need some position rearrangement for the spacing.
    It is a nice idea but I've got to deny it since the pattern was intended to share similarities with the one in astray and applying what you said would make it differ too much imo.
Thank you so much for the mod! ^_^
Chris Jasorka
I was asked to mod, so i do.

gtfo's easy
00:41:070 (3) - i see you have thought of adjusting these, but why? Why 00:39:945 (2,3) - and 00:41:070 (3,4) - have the same spacing? I dont think that a newer player knows that the bpm is changing and has to click slower, i think you should adjust them visually with a bigger distance gap. ( entire part ).
01:06:391 (1,2) - you could make these look swexier by ctrl H 2 and reposition 3 a bit.

Normal
nothing to add, i just personally dont like the big gaps but i can see those being useful for newer player to readjust their mouses or to calm a bit

gtfo's hard
00:05:070 (1,2) - I dont understand why this one stands out. Either you let all of the higher pitched sounds stand out with direction change or none. Since you have decided in the later part for none, i would go with it :(
00:38:820 (1,2,3) - I dont understand why you flip 2 but 3 not.
same for 00:41:070 (1,2,3) -

Astray
00:19:695 (5) - i dislike how you use the strong sound at the end as a slider end
00:36:945 (1,2) - would make these have the kink aswell ( 00:30:945 (1,2,3) - ) because the guitar(?) is almost as loud as in the first
you highlight these 00:45:754 (3) - and 00:48:391 (3) - differently than these 00:54:766 (3) - , 00:57:391 (3) - , i dont see, why. The first two flow from the previous sliderend with the same movement towards the circle, the later two break this movement despite being the same sound. On top of that i dont understand why 00:54:766 (3) - has the biggest DS gap.
Topic Starter
David-

Chriz wrote:

I was asked to mod, so i do.

Astray
00:19:695 (5) - i dislike how you use the strong sound at the end as a slider end
I wanted to have a held note there and the sliderstart is just as strong or even stronger in sound to me, so it shouldn't pose a problem.
00:21:945 (2) - same goes here.


00:36:945 (1,2) - would make these have the kink aswell ( 00:30:945 (1,2,3) - ) because the guitar(?) is almost as loud as in the first
Mhh.. it made me spot an inconsistency, thus I put red ankers on everything that emphasized the guitar pluck thingys.

you highlight these 00:45:754 (3) - and 00:48:391 (3) - differently than these 00:54:766 (3) - , 00:57:391 (3) - , i dont see, why.
The first two flow from the previous sliderend with the same movement towards the circle, the later two break this movement despite being the same sound. On top of that i dont understand why 00:54:766 (3) - has the biggest DS gap.
For variety and because of the first two starting of slower (even in BPM) while the second two start of faster, basicly a build-up.
Thanks for the mod!
I'd recommend to use lists for your suggestions btw. (Doesnt matter that much tho since modding-v1 will die)
Realazy
metadata
source:
ポケモン不思議のダンジョン 空の探検隊

reference

as for title/artist themselves, the only thing i could find is the list of artists credited on bulbapedia, so if that list is correct, metadata should be (artist - title):

飯吉新、坂本英城、いとうけいすけ
Arata Iiyoshi, Hideki Sakamoto, Keisuke Ito

きたのさばく
Northern Desert

tags:
pokémon pokemon nintendo nds mystery dungeon explorers of darkness time sky pmd 時の探検隊 闇の探検隊

holy fuck that took me way more time than it should have

[gtfo's Easy]

i think AR3 should be more than enough, the song is moderately slow and the diff is pretty sparse as well

01:15:391 (1) - you could extend this up to 01:18:766 - since that high pitched note is still held until that point, and you'll still have enough recovery for newer players

[Normal]

00:23:070 (2) - why not make this a 1/1 slider like the previous times? there's still an extended sound on this note so it'd be expected to have the same pattern as the 2 previous times
00:28:695 (2) - i certainely agree with deramok on that one, emphasis through overmapping isn't recommended on normals at all, plus if you really wanted to emphasize that sound you would have those 1/2 sliders each time it plays. but even if you did, i still wouldn't recommend overmapping for emphasis in lower diffs
00:35:445 - such a huge break really feels weird considering there's no clear stop in the song or anything that suggests it, reversing 00:33:570 (3) - could be a nice idea to make this less boring, and adding a circle afterwards at 00:35:445 - could also be nice to keep the rhythm entertaining.
01:00:766 (6,7) - really recommend you unstack them or move 01:01:891 (1) - further away to make sure players don't read it as constant 1/2 since spacing is the same, this is mostly why large spacing differences aren't allowed in lower diffs, to make sure everything is properly readable

[gtfo's Hard]

00:39:570 (3,3) - i really disagree with the idea of ctrl+g-ing those, the sounds barely stand out because everything in the song has relatively similar intensity. if anything, the song is becoming much calmer considering its bpm slows down a lot, and the pitch also gets much lower. besides, the map has no other jumps besides for those two, and it feels extremely weird to have those at the lowest point of the song
01:10:891 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - i get the idea, and the pattern is decent in itself i guess, but i think it's very confusing at first due to the drastic changes in spacing compared to the rest of the map which uses constant spacing, you could maybe try stacking the sliders on sliderends instead? spacing would be more consistent with the rest of the map, and the idea still remains there

[Astray]

00:36:195 (1,2,1,2) - i get the symmetry idea, but you should really consider having lower spacing on those, it feels like a really large spike considering the rest of the map up to this point. i think ctrl+g on 00:36:570 (2,2) - could also be a neat idea? this way you have the high pitched sliders going up, while the low pitched ones go down. either way, consider doing something here to keep the spacing more consistent with the rest of the map

should be it i guess, call me back when you're ready
gtfo

Realazy wrote:

[gtfo's Easy]

i think AR3 should be more than enough, the song is moderately slow and the diff is pretty sparse as well. Sure.

01:15:391 (1) - you could extend this up to 01:18:766 - since that high pitched note is still held until that point, and you'll still have enough recovery for newer players. Gotta trust you there.

[gtfo's Hard]

00:39:570 (3,3) - i really disagree with the idea of ctrl+g-ing those, the sounds barely stand out because everything in the song has relatively similar intensity. if anything, the song is becoming much calmer considering its bpm slows down a lot, and the pitch also gets much lower. besides, the map has no other jumps besides for those two, and it feels extremely weird to have those at the lowest point of the song. Well it was like that before but after a suggestion I thought it was a good idea... sigh... back it goes!
01:10:891 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - i get the idea, and the pattern is decent in itself i guess, but i think it's very confusing at first due to the drastic changes in spacing compared to the rest of the map which uses constant spacing, you could maybe try stacking the sliders on sliderends instead? spacing would be more consistent with the rest of the map, and the idea still remains there. Changed it so the issue should be fixed!
Thank you so much man.
Topic Starter
David-

Realazy wrote:

Thank you for looking for the metadata!
(As soon as I saw the mod I went looking for it instantly and would've almost overlooked the box.. kudos to gtfo for pointing it out lol)

[Normal]

00:23:070 (2) - why not make this a 1/1 slider like the previous times? there's still an extended sound on this note so it'd be expected to have the same pattern as the 2 previous times
Gotta disagree with that one because if I were to put the 1/1 slider in there it would sound too continous and wouldn't highlight the change as much as I'd like it to. I did the same in Astray for the same reason, its probably because of my own interpretation of the music if you'd still disagree I'd change it.
00:28:695 (2) - i certainely agree with deramok on that one, emphasis through overmapping isn't recommended on normals at all, plus if you really wanted to emphasize that sound you would have those 1/2 sliders each time it plays. but even if you did, i still wouldn't recommend overmapping for emphasis in lower diffs
Alright, I'll replace it with circles.
00:35:445 - such a huge break really feels weird considering there's no clear stop in the song or anything that suggests it, reversing 00:33:570 (3) - could be a nice idea to make this less boring, and adding a circle afterwards at 00:35:445 - could also be nice to keep the rhythm entertaining.
I agree, changed.
01:00:766 (6,7) - really recommend you unstack them or move 01:01:891 (1) - further away to make sure players don't read it as constant 1/2 since spacing is the same, this is mostly why large spacing differences aren't allowed in lower diffs, to make sure everything is properly readable
Fixed!

[Astray]

00:36:195 (1,2,1,2) - i get the symmetry idea, but you should really consider having lower spacing on those, it feels like a really large spike considering the rest of the map up to this point. i think ctrl+g on 00:36:570 (2,2) - could also be a neat idea? this way you have the high pitched sliders going up, while the low pitched ones go down. either way, consider doing something here to keep the spacing more consistent with the rest of the map
I like the Ctrl+G suggestion and applied it.
I also dropped the spacing a teensy bit in addition to it.


should be it i guess, call me back when you're ready owo

Thank you so much!
Realazy
my bad, seems like romanized title should be Kita no Sabaku
thank fieryrage

fix that and we should be good to go
Topic Starter
David-
Alright changed!
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place

edit: real you can bub first and I'll do my check after
Realazy
not late btw
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Realazy wrote:

not late btw
dude same

Add "gtfo" in the tags

Top
  1. 00:17:820 (2,3) - minor but these slider shapes looked weird given the structure at the rest of the section. Looking at how all the other sliders are previously in the section these don't really fit in
  2. 00:44:091 (2,3) - this spacing suggests a different snap than what they actually are
  3. 01:01:891 (1) - imho the massive change in SV felt quite forced and slightly unfitting. Both in how it fits the song and the jump from the SV used at 01:00:766 when the intensity between the 2 sections isn't that big. 1x SV would be just fine to me.
Hard
  1. I honestly think AR 6.5 would be better at this bpm and density, because there isn't a real need to have only 2 objects on screen at a time when it's DS'd so heavily. It makes it easier for people to play with HR too since it doesn't have the AR shoot up to 9.8
  2. 00:50:641 (6) - this isn't NC'd but 00:59:641 (1) is
  3. 01:05:266 (1) - delete NC
Normal
  1. AR 4
  2. 01:09:766 (3) - how about this rhythm? https://i.imgur.com/Z9Nfwxz.png Follows the song a lot better imo
Easy
  1. AR2
  2. 00:44:980 (1) - even though I know there is a change in bpm here the NC isn't needed
  3. 00:49:516 (1) - I think this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10298669 or https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10298676 would be nice rhythms to have. It would make it feel more like a beginner diff and the current rhythm is really similar to that in the normal
  4. 00:58:516 (1) - ^
  5. 01:15:391 (1,1) - Sorry I can't really agree with this recovery time in the spinner. It's really short give how easier the rest of the diff is. Ending the spinner at the same spot as the normal would be a good alternative
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popped for the spinner recovery in easy. PM me when responded
Topic Starter
David-
Add "gtfo" in the tags
Oh right I forgot it, changed.

Top
  1. 00:17:820 (2,3) - minor but these slider shapes looked weird given the structure at the rest of the section. Looking at how all the other sliders are previously in the section these don't really fit in
    I wanted to emphasize the "dingdong" but at second glance (or the thousandth one tbh) they really look odd and only appear once in the whole map, changed.
  2. 00:44:091 (2,3) - this spacing suggests a different snap than what they actually are
    Not sure what you exactly mean but if you're talking about the possibility of missreading it because of the change in bpm then I don't think it should be that problematic, the slow feeling to it was how I intended it to be like.
  3. 01:01:891 (1) - imho the massive change in SV felt quite forced and slightly unfitting. Both in how it fits the song and the jump from the SV used at 01:00:766 when the intensity between the 2 sections isn't that big. 1x SV would be just fine to me.
    The change in SV isn't all that massive imo, given the 1/1 gap it just gives off the kick I wanted it to have and with SV 1x it would feel too bland and boring to me.
Normal
  1. AR 4
    Why not.
  2. 01:09:766 (3) - how about this rhythm? https://i.imgur.com/Z9Nfwxz.png Follows the song a lot better imo
    I dont like the repeat on that place because of it looking out of place and inconsistent to me so I'd prefer to let it stay how it is.
popped for the spinner recovery in easy. PM me when responded[/quote]
Will do when gtfo responds.
Thank you! ^^
CookieBite
remove "gtfo" in the source
Topic Starter
David-

CookieBite wrote:

remove "gtfo" in the source
...whoops, my bad.
Thanks for pointing it out ^-^
gtfo

Kisses wrote:

Hard
  1. I honestly think AR 6.5 would be better at this bpm and density, because there isn't a real need to have only 2 objects on screen at a time when it's DS'd so heavily. It makes it easier for people to play with HR too since it doesn't have the AR shoot up to 9.8. Well, I don't think many people will play this with hr as its easily dtable. You're right though it feels better with lower ar. Put it down to 6.7.
  2. 00:50:641 (6) - this isn't NC'd but 00:59:641 (1) is. Fixed
  3. 01:05:266 (1) - delete NC. Fixed

Easy
  1. AR2 Sure buddy.
  2. 00:44:980 (1) - even though I know there is a change in bpm here the NC isn't needed. Fixed
  3. 00:49:516 (1) - I think this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10298669 or https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10298676 would be nice rhythms to have. It would make it feel more like a beginner diff and the current rhythm is really similar to that in the normal. Decreased density for both patterns even though I'm not really happy with how it looks like atm. Hope you'll give me feedback on the new pattern.
  4. 00:58:516 (1) - ^
  5. 01:15:391 (1,1) - Sorry I can't really agree with this recovery time in the spinner. It's really short give how easier the rest of the diff is. Ending the spinner at the same spot as the normal would be a good alternative. Haha, ironic that one suggestion from another bn leads to the pop. I put it back where it was. You may wanna have a short talk with Realazy about the issue.
popped for the spinner recovery in easy. PM me when responded
Thanks a lot.
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looks good on my end. I'm just waiting for realazy to rebubble
Realazy
fuck suguri
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I don't say this a lot but I actually really appreciate this style of mapping ~
Pilesos
Hypeeee ~ Finally this gem is getting ranked ^_^
greeeeeeeeg
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