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LAST ALLIANCE - HEKIREKI TV SIZE

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iYiyo
La top diff debería ser K.O. (con el punto al final también)

@happy: 00:01:482 - 00:07:529 - siento que el ritmo que sigues acá es un poco muy confuso para gente que recién está empezando. No sé cómo decirlo bien, pero vas como a contratiempo de la batería (tick 1 y 3). Si bien el principio es algo fuerte, siento que quedaría bastante mejor si sigues la melodía de la canción instead of plain drums. Recomendaciones: https://puu.sh/z2Ufw/ccab7da319.jpg https://puu.sh/z2UfQ/3c5eb539fd.jpg incluso podrías hasta borrar el (5) y dejarlo vacío, de todas maneras yo creo que podrías hacer algo mejor aquí en general~
HappyRocket88

iYiyo wrote:

La top diff debería ser K.O. (con el punto al final también)

@happy: 00:01:482 - 00:07:529 - siento que el ritmo que sigues acá es un poco muy confuso para gente que recién está empezando. No sé cómo decirlo bien, pero vas como a contratiempo de la batería (tick 1 y 3). Si bien el principio es algo fuerte, siento que quedaría bastante mejor si sigues la melodía de la canción instead of plain drums. Recomendaciones: https://puu.sh/z2Ufw/ccab7da319.jpg https://puu.sh/z2UfQ/3c5eb539fd.jpg incluso podrías hasta borrar el (5) y dejarlo vacío, de todas maneras yo creo que podrías hacer algo mejor aquí en general~
Tienes razón. Pero encuentro un poco arriesgado empezar la diff con el beat más importante de la song con un slider-end en el downbeat. ;w; Por otro lado, si tienes razón en el ritmo con el slider a 1/1 para enfatizar la guitarra pero supongo que introducir ese tipo de ritmos en el principio podría resultar contraprudecente ya que en aquellos casos el reverse está muy cerca del número y podrían tener problemas para identificar el timing si no se hace regurlarmente. ;w;
F D Flourite
I lost my previous mod post ;w;

[ROCKEY'S EASY]
  1. 00:29:156 (5,6) - blanket could be improved
  2. 00:25:436 (1) - remove NC
  3. 00:48:459 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - combo is too long 00:53:343 (1,1) - then it's short. You should review the whole NC design
[CRIS'S NORMAL]
  1. 00:14:273 (1,2) - should keep consistency on 00:10:552 (1,2) - as there's no sound at 00:15:203 -
[HARD]
  1. 00:03:808 (11) - 00:07:529 (11) - why not shorten the combo lol
  2. 00:51:250 (6) - not NCing?
[IYIYO & HAZU'S INSANE]
  1. 00:01:715 (3,4) - visual distance is too small
  2. 00:25:436 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - 00:29:156 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - 00:32:877 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - completely covering sliderbodies each other is not helping at all under AR9. You should rotate them slightly to avoid perfect overlaps
  3. 00:58:226 - A strong beat is skipped
call me back
Hazu-

Mitsuna- wrote:

[Collab Insane]
00:59:854 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - those circles have same spacing all along the "stream", try to make a slow stream that start to accelerate here 01:00:086 (3) - as the drum intensifies ^^ I agree, but I don't change this for better gap Hard-Insane-Extra.

Great mapset overall, i like the song :) I'll come back to mod the hard diff !

F D Flourite wrote:

I lost my previous mod post ;w;

[IYIYO & HAZU'S INSANE]
  1. 00:58:226 - A strong beat is skipped Fixed.
call me back
Thx xd
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Nao Tomori
placeholder (?) might be a while tho
iYiyo

F D Flourite wrote:

I lost my previous mod post ;w; i know that feeling uwu

[IYIYO & HAZU'S INSANE]
  1. 00:01:715 (3,4) - visual distance is too small slightly noticeable, but yes, fixed
  2. 00:25:436 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - 00:29:156 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - 00:32:877 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - completely covering sliderbodies each other is not helping at all under AR9. You should rotate them slightly to avoid perfect overlaps tbh I tried with something else but it isn't the same D:. If possible I'd like to keep this pattern because of the visual effect it produces which I think is pretty cool + it isn't hard to read because of ar9 imo
Thanks!

including hazu's fix
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Atsuro
K.O
Cloudchaser
totally not meme
Cris-

F D Flourite wrote:

I lost my previous mod post ;w;

[CRIS'S NORMAL]
  1. 00:14:273 (1,2) - should keep consistency on 00:10:552 (1,2) - as there's no sound at 00:15:203 - You're right, fixed
Thank you
Update
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Topic Starter
pkhg

F D Flourite wrote:

[HARD]
  1. 00:03:808 (11) - 00:07:529 (11) - why not shorten the combo lol measure based ncing
  2. 00:51:250 (6) - not NCing?i dont think its needed. its a more vocals based ncing so i nced where the snares are more prominent than voice 00:52:296 (1,2,3) -
call me back
fixed ncs on happy's easy

updated all diffs
Hazu-
owo
iYiyo
those 5 stars
F D Flourite
1. Where's HappyRocket?

2. Combo length in Hard still feels greatly unbalanced. For example, you get 01:02:412 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - short combo on the part where music is not that intense, while 00:00:784 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - is 4-measure NC. 00:12:296 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 1-measure NC, etc... I just don't get it
HappyRocket88

F D Flourite wrote:

1. Where's HappyRocket?

I'm here! Fixed everything! >.<
Topic Starter
pkhg
i think what i did is just fine, it isnt a constant every1 measure pattern but makes perfect sense with the music
ncing every 1 or 2 results in short combos and harsh drain that can be seen in later parts of the map with a bit larger combos, every 3 doesnt makes sense cuz how music is structured so i though 4 was fine. it fits the music and fixes the hp problem along with the hp5 setting
i hope that explains what i did :d

01:03:459 (1) - removed this nc tho lol it was very out of place xd
F D Flourite
ok, then. Won't bother on this too much
Nao Tomori
[ko]
00:14:970 (3,4,5,6,7,8) -
i dont think this pattern works too well because 7-8 have vocals on them but arent distinguished in any way - since your rhythm is mostly vocal focus highlighting the next vocal line would be better imo.

00:22:761 (2) - shouldnt this be circles? it'll follow the drums a bit better.

00:25:436 (1) - i think making the one after this (00:29:156 (1) - ) go clockwise makes more sense cuz atm you have 3 of them that go ccw ccw cw but thats kinda inconsistent and weird so if it was ccw cw ccw it would be nicer..

00:36:598 (1,2) - this sound pretty weird with clap on slider end but the pattern is completely the same as usual - why not circles?

01:06:133 (7) - nc or something

[yiyo + hazu]
00:08:226 (5,6) - i think ctrl g on this follows the snare rhythm better and more interesting to play

00:22:645 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - the song structure is 123 123 (listen to the snares.) so i think your pattern could reflect that some how. atm it feels more like all blended together, but a small visual change could represent the song structure well imo.

00:26:366 (1) - i don't see the reason to nc here cuz it's still the same instrument (guitar)

00:45:668 (5) - deleting this gives a nice effect and interesting rhythm

also using same pattern as 00:52:412 (2,3,4,5) - doesn't work nicely cuz they are clearly different in the song (since 5 in the first one is weaker, the double based rhythm is way more prominent)

[hard]
00:18:343 (2,3) - eee can u blanket

nice dif
[normal]
i think ar is generally too low, low ar also causes another issue where you have too much sliders. if you raise the ar to 5-6 then you can add in some more circles to make the kiai more interesting to play since atm there are not very many circles. since the hard diff has a lot of circles i do recommend trying to add some in. for example: 00:37:994 (3) - 00:51:715 (2) - 01:00:319 (4) - 00:23:110 (3) - etc etc. basically just make it more dense to spread a little better.

[easy]
00:49:389 (3,1,2) - i know it is distance snapped but i believe players will misread this since there is a 1/1 gap right before a 2/1 gap. try to unstack 3-1 so that there is a visual difference for them to notice.
iYiyo

Naotoshi wrote:

[yiyo]
00:08:226 (5,6) - i think ctrl g on this follows the snare rhythm better and more interesting to play fits fine, changed

00:22:645 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - the song structure is 123 123 (listen to the snares.) so i think your pattern could reflect that some how. atm it feels more like all blended together, but a small visual change could represent the song structure well imo. mmh tbh I don't want to change the pengaton shape cause plays pretty well n smooth imo, so I decided to just add NC every 3 beats, I think it's better now

00:26:366 (1) - i don't see the reason to nc here cuz it's still the same instrument (guitar) me neither, fixed xD
thanks!
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Hazu-

Naotoshi wrote:

[hazu]
00:45:668 (5) - deleting this gives a nice effect and interesting rhythm

also using same pattern as 00:52:412 (2,3,4,5) - doesn't work nicely cuz they are clearly different in the song (since 5 in the first one is weaker, the double based rhythm is way more prominent)
All fixed :d thx
updt + yiyo's updt
osu file format v14

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Artist:LAST ALLIANCE
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Version:IYIYO & HAZU'S INSANE
Source:はじめの一歩 New Challenger
Tags:hajime no ippo opening iyiyo hazu- happyrocket88 cris- ラスト・アライアンス
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Cris-

Naotoshi wrote:

[normal]
i think ar is generally too low, low ar also causes another issue where you have too much sliders. if you raise the ar to 5-6 then you can add in some more circles to make the kiai more interesting to play since atm there are not very many circles. since the hard diff has a lot of circles i do recommend trying to add some in. for example: 00:37:994 (3) - 00:51:715 (2) - 01:00:319 (4) - 00:23:110 (3) - etc etc. basically just make it more dense to spread a little better.
Ar up to 5 and od to 4. I think now is fine
About the sliders i think are fine, i don't want to make this diff more dense, also that sliders fits well with the vocals imo

Thanks nao!
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HappyRocket88

Naotoshi wrote:

[easy]
00:49:389 (3,1,2) - i know it is distance snapped but i believe players will misread this since there is a 1/1 gap right before a 2/1 gap. try to unstack 3-1 so that there is a visual difference for them to notice. yes
Topic Starter
pkhg

Naotoshi wrote:

[ko]
00:14:970 (3,4,5,6,7,8) -
i dont think this pattern works too well because 7-8 have vocals on them but arent distinguished in any way - since your rhythm is mostly vocal focus highlighting the next vocal line would be better imo. 00:09:854 (2,3,4) - 00:11:947 (7,8) - 00:12:877 (3,4) - 00:16:366 (2,3,4) - as u can see i stacked 1/2 circles when voices denser and ive done the same during all the map except kiai cuz its kiai lo

00:22:761 (2) - shouldnt this be circles? it'll follow the drums a bit better. sr went up thanks

00:25:436 (1) - i think making the one after this (00:29:156 (1) - ) go clockwise makes more sense cuz atm you have 3 of them that go ccw ccw cw but thats kinda inconsistent and weird so if it was ccw cw ccw it would be nicer.. the direction is determined by the previous object 00:25:203 (4,1) - 00:28:924 (4,1) - 00:32:645 (4,1) - idk if u get what i mean

00:36:598 (1,2) - this sound pretty weird with clap on slider end but the pattern is completely the same as usual - why not circles? sr went up again thanks

01:06:133 (7) - nc or something no xd

[hard]
00:18:343 (2,3) - eee can u blanket no zzz

nice dif
added a muted sliderslide

also @cris: 00:14:273 (1,2) - 00:17:994 (1,2) - rhythm here should be http://puu.sh/zgC1w/328fd37f70.jpg dont u agree nao?

and if u have a problem with the placements i choose for the parts i changed to circles just tell me lo
Cris-

pkhg wrote:

also @cris: 00:14:273 (1,2) - 00:17:994 (1,2) - rhythm here should be http://puu.sh/zgC1w/328fd37f70.jpg dont u agree nao?

and if u have a problem with the placements i choose for the parts i changed to circles just tell me lo
Imo is fine, is consistent with 00:10:552 (1,2) - & 00:17:994 (1,2)
Topic Starter
pkhg
updated everything

hype
Nao Tomori
hmm i think either works for cris, his keeps all vocal at same object so i think its okay, yours also works well for vocal focus. seems like preference

will quali later
Nao Tomori
qualify
Topic Starter
pkhg
yes
iYiyo
\:D/
Hazu-
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Cris-
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-Le-Pancho-
este mapa me recuerda a cuando empece en osu! (unos 6 o 7 años atrás)
un amigo descargo este map que estaba en desarrollo.
verlo ahora aprobado me trae muy buenos recuerdos :D
(aun que tal vez el mapa de aquella ves era de otro creador, no me fije en el detalle- solo en la nostalgia)
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