i tried it some minutes ago, it was really fun but hard orz
It would be so nice to see 10k mapset ranked ~
It would be so nice to see 10k mapset ranked ~
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I am learning how to play 8k/10k and i agree 
You have to sit well, or your fingers will not be straight, and your wrist has to be straight too. If someone plays this layout try to move away the keyboard at least where you have your elbow on the table, or almost on the table.FrenzyLi wrote:
Nice to know that arrangement helps transitioning from static mode to dynamic mode!Cra Dow wrote:
I use figure 3 XD, it gets time to get used to that position, but it helps playing >10K, most of the high number music related keyboards use that kind of arrangement.
And do not use to high or too low tables, or compensate with the height of the chair.
I am saying this because I do not use 8 finger style at 10k, I use 10 fingers at that position. (It is mostly what I use to play piano, actual piano(not mania), of course in a more relaxed way because the keys are longer.)
I think for normal mania player that is used to default mania settings like 7K and 5K, figure 1 and 2 is better (I think mostly figure 2 because it can be used in almost all keyboards, I think not only PC, even mac laptops) (Although figure 1 is really comfortable to play).
I think when implemented they should use figure 2 as default option but they should make 2 options for figure 1 and 3 in the binding menu, then the game would let you chose which one you would like to use if it is possible in your keyboard, but keeping the customization option like now at any number of keys.
not sure about players but as a mapper i find this interesting and would love to try mapping 10k myself!
Still not pro, but I would play your maps.Kruzon wrote:
not sure about players but as a mapper i find this interesting and would love to try mapping 10k myself!
I hope that this will be able to get ranked, I am new but I love playing 10k and it's a challenge but very fun
It upsets me that this hasn't been implemented yet.
There is no reason against it other than malice.
There is no reason against it other than malice.
patience keymasher. 10 keys we will get yet 
Even though I can't play Mania if my life depended on it, I still want to see some 10K maps.
Omg, 10k will be so difficult, but it's nice to watch pro player's replay
I really think this is a good idea. There seems to be a lot of people that agree as well. There doesn't seem to be any reason that 10k isn't rankable. To even map 10k you have to put 5k co-op. There is no 10k option when mapping. The scale only goes from 1-9k which doesn't make sense to me. There are dedicated 10k players and people who map 10k. There isn't any explanation as well as to why 10k is currently unrankable.
The only thing they need to do is to change names here and there, take out the splitstage from the current 10K skin and define a default layout.Cawub wrote:
I really think this is a good idea. There seems to be a lot of people that agree as well. There doesn't seem to be any reason that 10k isn't rankable. To even map 10k you have to put 5k co-op. There is no 10k option when mapping. The scale only goes from 1-9k which doesn't make sense to me. There are dedicated 10k players and people who map 10k. There isn't any explanation as well as to why 10k is currently unrankable.
Humans have 10 fingers on their hands on total so there is no anatomic impossibility. Anyways I think 10K would get more popular than 9K is, normally when I show players in multi how to set 10K they get hyped. So I totally agree. And most mappers that I know are all about to make 10K ranked. Thou I think the more the lanes the more complex the mapping gets. Experienced mappers like challenges from what I know.
I am not very expereienced with mapping thou when I get to be able to S 4* intensity level maps I have plans to map some 10K. Thanks from CircusGalop's maps, some other mapers I am able to get more experienced with 10K patterning. Ez2Dj/Ez2Ac 10K and BMS 10K vídeos (since ez2dj does not exist outside Korea) are also great learning material. 10K2S BMS maps can be found for playing purposes thou they are a litle complex on the standard pc keyboard, thou the static side plays pretty naturally even if you bind something like qwerbniop+ (I have portuguese-Portugal qwerty keyboard I change + and - offset keybinding to * and / respectively), thou you need to have a nice key rollover support, anyways since 9K needs that too why not 10K too? Using thumbs on bn is not a big deal since you only have to add an extra thumb and its about the feeling that the keys give you, with some days of practice anyone can get used to it, thou mastering takes years like any keycount. If your hands are symetrically positioned and comfortable you are good to go.
Topic Starter
There was good news. 10key maps can be reached loved state now. https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/549835
It needs to have a Star Priority of 100 and 30 favorites by other users.
I will try to earn kudosus and to make a 10k loved map afterward.
It needs to have a Star Priority of 100 and 30 favorites by other users.
I will try to earn kudosus and to make a 10k loved map afterward.
Topic Starter
Eventually there was no chance. Currently, there is no way to play a 10k map with online record or add it.CircusGalop wrote:
There was good news. 10key maps can be reached loved state now. https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/549835
It needs to have a Star Priority of 100 and 30 favorites by other users.
I will try to earn kudosus and to make a 10k loved map afterward.
Maybe in 2 years...
Topic Starter
The number of 10K mapsets is more than 100.
The number of 10K mappers is more than 30.
The number of users who have registered a score on a 10K loved scoreboard has been more than 200 since 6 weeks ago.
It's time to make 10k rankable.
The number of 10K mappers is more than 30.
The number of users who have registered a score on a 10K loved scoreboard has been more than 200 since 6 weeks ago.
It's time to make 10k rankable.
I should start mapping again because I feel like I am falling behind...
If I may suggest some layouts, that I like using for you to include on the list (left hand=rose, right hand=blue):
Universal:
For more finger oriented:
This is good for big hands or more wrist oriented for middle sized hands (it might not be compatible with all keyboards):
If I may suggest some layouts, that I like using for you to include on the list (left hand=rose, right hand=blue):
Universal:
For more finger oriented:
This is good for big hands or more wrist oriented for middle sized hands (it might not be compatible with all keyboards):
Topic Starter
I found that there isn't 10K config in osu!lazer(2017.12.31) unlike 9K. 
please. I wish for 10K not to be classified as 5K Co-op. The default key settings discussed here would be fine. Of course, the most important thing is rankable.
please. I wish for 10K not to be classified as 5K Co-op. The default key settings discussed here would be fine. Of course, the most important thing is rankable.
owhCircusGalop wrote:
I found that there isn't 10K config in osu!lazer(2017.12.31) unlike 9K.
@Cra Dow
rose: left ctrl, a, s, d, spacebar
blue: left arrow, numpad 7, numpad 8, numpad 9, numpad enter
I am to used to not curving my pinkies like that, Abraker.
I guess they didn't fix the layout options yet.
I saw this months ago and asked peppy about it [I hope that includes fixing all discrepancies]:CircusGalop wrote:
I found that there isn't 10K config in osu!lazer(2017.12.31) unlike 9K.
please. I wish for 10K not to be classified as 5K Co-op. The default key settings discussed here would be fine. Of course, the most important thing is rankable.
I guess they didn't fix the layout options yet.
just found an old request of mine: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/318346
abraker wrote:
just found an old request of mine: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/318346
I think requests should be made in github now, in issues? Not sure how github works since I can't code... But if someone makes a request it might be useful to link the threads related to 10k as single player mode (not dp or 5k+5k or coop, deceiving the players).
I am not sure if ppy would accept it right now. Issues for unfinished items are currently not dealt with unless you are the one that will implement it.Cra Dow wrote:
abraker wrote:
just found an old request of mine: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/318346
I think requests should be made in github now, in issues? Not sure how github works since I can't code... But if someone makes a request it might be useful to link the threads related to 10k as single player mode (not dp or 5k+5k or coop, deceiving the players).
@CircusGalop
Does this skin require changing global offset? I feel like notes are coming late.
2. download 10k skin https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_T_wNMpsy9Kr-c9m1qrdxXAjwsMj3JYC/view?usp=sharing
Does this skin require changing global offset? I feel like notes are coming late.
alexeychikk wrote:
@CircusGalop
2. download 10k skin https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_T_wNMpsy9Kr-c9m1qrdxXAjwsMj3JYC/view?usp=sharing
Does this skin require changing global offset? I feel like notes are coming late.
The hit position is lower so you are hitting early. To change the "HitPosition:" go to the skin.ini of the skin and delete the line under every keycount starting as "HitPosition:" and it will automatically go to default. Do not forget to save the .ini after finishing the editing inside notepad.
https://osu.ppy.sh/help/wiki/Skinning/skin.ini?locale=en#[mania]
Cra Dow wrote:
alexeychikk wrote:
@CircusGalop
2. download 10k skin https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_T_wNMpsy9Kr-c9m1qrdxXAjwsMj3JYC/view?usp=sharing
Does this skin require changing global offset? I feel like notes are coming late.
The hit position is lower so you are hitting early. To change the "HitPosition:" go to the skin.ini of the skin and delete the line under every keycount starting as "HitPosition:" and it will automatically go to default. Do not forget to save the .ini after finishing the editing inside notepad.
https://osu.ppy.sh/help/wiki/Skinning/skin.ini?locale=en#[mania]
But OSU itself matches skin's HitPosition with the music offset, doesn't it? So if I delete skin's HitPosition then I will have to press notes when they don't reach the bar line. I mean, are you basically saying that the problem is that I've developed some eye habit that forces me to press notes earlier ignoring music beat?
I feel more like HitPosition in this skin is wrong or maybe requires some offset. Or maybe this is a bug in OSU so it doesn't match HitPosition with a beat.
alexeychikk wrote:
But OSU itself matches skin's HitPosition with the music offset, doesn't it? So if I delete skin's HitPosition then I will have to press notes when they don't reach the bar line. I mean, are you basically saying that the problem is that I've developed some eye habit that forces me to press notes earlier ignoring music beat?
I feel more like HitPosition in this skin is wrong or maybe requires some offset. Or maybe this is a bug in OSU so it doesn't match HitPosition with a beat.
The things to consider while synchronizing offsets are video elements, music, hitsounds/keysounds, and keyboard inputs
For video, you can move the position notes have to hit at independently from the visible judgment line by changing the hitposition, using an invisible mania-stage-hint skin element, and using JudgementLine: 0 in the skin.ini. This allows changing the synchronization of the video elements freely relative to the audio elements.
It is very hard to reduce the delay from a keyboard input and hitsounds/keysounds, and that delay is significant. You can either use hitsounds, matching the hitsound sounds to the music (by using Universal Offset of 0 or small depending on the hitsounds), and getting used to pressing early compared to the music; or disable hitsounds and change the universal offset so the keyboard presses are synced with the music.
alexeychikk wrote:
But OSU itself matches skin's HitPosition with the music offset, doesn't it? So if I delete skin's HitPosition then I will have to press notes when they don't reach the bar line. I mean, are you basically saying that the problem is that I've developed some eye habit that forces me to press notes earlier ignoring music beat?
I feel more like HitPosition in this skin is wrong or maybe requires some offset. Or maybe this is a bug in OSU so it doesn't match HitPosition with a beat.
I think your problem is that you can't read well with this hitposition, changing the offset won't change how you have to hit the objects that fall...
Since the only difference this skin has is a lower hitposition.
If you are pressing notes earlier you would see hits on the left side more in the error bar. Do you?alexeychikk wrote:
I mean, are you basically saying that the problem is that I've developed some eye habit that forces me to press notes earlier ignoring music beat?
abraker wrote:
Maybe in 2 years...
Said me, 3 years ago...
I forget but was there a ranking criteria proposal for 10k ranked yet?
Sadly it will never happen, this gamemode has been extremely 4K-centric, to the point where since they let 4K mains "fix" the pp system in a way that hurts others more than them. Fun fact: the "pp cut in half" event from a while back is NOT a flat 50% nerf to everything as many think, but three separate changes.
1) Fuckery with strain calculation which becomes more significant at star ratings that aren't a thing on 4K besides DT(and even then it's rare), vibro/manip(unranked) and charts made specifically with star rating in mind(mostly unranked). However, those star ratings happen naturally on pure, non-gimmick charts past a certain difficulty level on higher keycounts.
2) Big buff to 960k+ scores, which incentivises playing "easy except a single spike" charts. These are popular in 4K meta, but unpopular and frowned upon in other keycounts' metas, to the point where almost no-one will want to rank it, even if it's justified by the music.
3) A flat 20% nerf to everything(specifically mania scaling multiplier going from 1.1 to 0.88).
The result is that not only 4K mains lost less pp, but Asreilly actually GAINED pp.
Let's take a hypothetical 900k score on a hypothetical OD8 chart with 2000 objects.
At 3 stars, You'd get 58.75pp pre-nerf, but now you get 69.63pp(119% of pre-nerf pp).
At 4 stars, You'd get 141.63pp pre-nerf, but now you get 135.21pp(96% of pre-nerf pp).
At 5 stars, You'd get 279.42pp pre-nerf, but now you get 224.98pp(81% of pre-nerf pp).
At 6 stars, You'd get 486.08pp pre-nerf, but now you get 340.09pp(70% of pre-nerf pp).
At 7 stars, You'd get 775.56pp pre-nerf, but now you get 481.51pp(62% of pre-nerf pp).
At 8 stars, You'd get 1161.83pp pre-nerf, but now you get 650.10pp(56% of pre-nerf pp).
At 9 stars, You'd get 1658.83pp pre-nerf, but now you get 846.60pp(51% of pre-nerf pp).
Screenshot this because it might get deleted. If my account goes too(wouldn't matter in my case since I play offline, see my signature or my earlier post in this subforum), consider making a private server(because none of the existing ones seem to rank 10k except for vibro).
1) Fuckery with strain calculation which becomes more significant at star ratings that aren't a thing on 4K besides DT(and even then it's rare), vibro/manip(unranked) and charts made specifically with star rating in mind(mostly unranked). However, those star ratings happen naturally on pure, non-gimmick charts past a certain difficulty level on higher keycounts.
2) Big buff to 960k+ scores, which incentivises playing "easy except a single spike" charts. These are popular in 4K meta, but unpopular and frowned upon in other keycounts' metas, to the point where almost no-one will want to rank it, even if it's justified by the music.
3) A flat 20% nerf to everything(specifically mania scaling multiplier going from 1.1 to 0.88).
The result is that not only 4K mains lost less pp, but Asreilly actually GAINED pp.
Let's take a hypothetical 900k score on a hypothetical OD8 chart with 2000 objects.
At 3 stars, You'd get 58.75pp pre-nerf, but now you get 69.63pp(119% of pre-nerf pp).
At 4 stars, You'd get 141.63pp pre-nerf, but now you get 135.21pp(96% of pre-nerf pp).
At 5 stars, You'd get 279.42pp pre-nerf, but now you get 224.98pp(81% of pre-nerf pp).
At 6 stars, You'd get 486.08pp pre-nerf, but now you get 340.09pp(70% of pre-nerf pp).
At 7 stars, You'd get 775.56pp pre-nerf, but now you get 481.51pp(62% of pre-nerf pp).
At 8 stars, You'd get 1161.83pp pre-nerf, but now you get 650.10pp(56% of pre-nerf pp).
At 9 stars, You'd get 1658.83pp pre-nerf, but now you get 846.60pp(51% of pre-nerf pp).
Screenshot this because it might get deleted. If my account goes too(wouldn't matter in my case since I play offline, see my signature or my earlier post in this subforum), consider making a private server(because none of the existing ones seem to rank 10k except for vibro).