13:28 *MaridiuS is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1275968 YURiKA - MIND CONDUCTOR (TV VER.) [Extra]]
13:29 MaridiuS: okay i'll just go into aesthetics on the first map check
13:29 MaridiuS: Term visual spacing
13:29 MaridiuS: you know there's this technical spacing
13:29 MaridiuS: that you can feel by playing the map
13:29 MaridiuS: and there's visual spacing, that you see by your eyes
13:30 MaridiuS: and with visual spacing things need to look tidy and consistant
13:30 AllieBork: yeah
13:30 MaridiuS: 00:02:742 (2,3,1) -
13:31 AllieBork: it's for blanket though?
13:31 MaridiuS: gime a sec
13:31 MaridiuS: to fix my sharex
13:31 MaridiuS: so i can do stuff in paint
13:31 AllieBork: k
13:32 MaridiuS: firstly
13:32 MaridiuS: in jumpy extras
13:32 MaridiuS: you shouldn't keep blankets that close
13:32 MaridiuS: it makes some kind of a claustrophobic feel
13:32 MaridiuS: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/RA1GdjU.png
13:32 MaridiuS: now look at this picture
13:32 MaridiuS: you see the yellow and red line
13:32 AllieBork: fair enough
13:32 MaridiuS: both circles should be at the same distance from slider
13:32 MaridiuS: i suggest having both yellow line on them
13:33 MaridiuS: and also adjusting the slider to make it blanket the new position of (3)
13:33 AllieBork: yep
13:33 MaridiuS: 00:00:575 (2,1) - i agree that its a slow part
13:33 MaridiuS: but on extra they should have more emphasis
13:33 MaridiuS: be it a jump to them
13:34 AllieBork: https://i.gyazo.com/f51ee4607aab57fffb6ea3b5034248da.png
13:34 MaridiuS: thats nice
13:34 MaridiuS: 00:00:575 (2,1) -
13:34 MaridiuS: they have different shape
13:34 MaridiuS: copy one
13:34 MaridiuS: and paste it and rotate
13:34 MaridiuS: for consistant look and structure
13:35 MaridiuS: 00:01:242 (1,3,1) - notice this how blanket is so far apart
13:35 AllieBork: k ill change the first one
13:35 MaridiuS: yet (1) and (1) are close
13:35 AllieBork: the second one is far because the piano melody
13:36 MaridiuS: that's cute
13:36 MaridiuS: but the visual spacing
13:36 MaridiuS: is not satisfied with that
13:37 MaridiuS: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/0nzXTUd.jpg
13:37 MaridiuS: here's how i'd do it
13:37 AllieBork: also the reason this spacing 00:00:575 (2,3,1) - is because of the piano
13:37 AllieBork: it used to be jump
13:37 MaridiuS: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/MMuJMnE.jpg i'd make em like this if nothnig else
13:38 MaridiuS: and use that spacing on other parts
13:38 MaridiuS: i think it looks better and more kinda free
13:38 AllieBork: yo wtf
13:38 AllieBork: that's almost exactly what I have
13:38 AllieBork: atm
13:39 AllieBork: except the first slider is angled differently because it looks ugly like that, not blanketed but in the space for it
13:39 MaridiuS: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/XLyKGY1.jpg same here, 1.2 DS would be more kinda open and look nicer
13:39 MaridiuS: just a sec
13:39 MaridiuS: yes you do have it similar
13:39 MaridiuS: but you have like 2 different spacings
13:39 AllieBork: nono not what you see
13:40 AllieBork: let me take a screencap
13:40 MaridiuS: ah
13:40 MaridiuS: you remapped xd
13:40 AllieBork: https://i.gyazo.com/f2d17a5c8c1426ddfa4f8422755fb8f8.png
13:40 AllieBork: ye
13:40 MaridiuS: that's very nice
13:40 AllieBork: flows better and doesnt have fake blanket
13:40 AllieBork: Ill consider changing the spacing on the others
13:40 MaridiuS: 00:03:242 (1,3) - dunno if you made them the same with remap
13:40 MaridiuS: but please do with copy paste and rotation
13:41 MaridiuS: also make slider ends stack
13:42 AllieBork: with the new (1) there with visual spacing, stacking slider ends won't work anymore
13:42 MaridiuS: 00:05:409 (1,2,3) - visual spacing from (1) is not the same
13:42 MaridiuS: okay i'm not sure where you're on but itrust that you will adjust it like it should be adjusted :d
13:43 MaridiuS: 00:06:242 (4,1,2) - visual spacing is not the same
13:43 MaridiuS: 00:07:242 (3,4) -
13:43 MaridiuS: hmmm
13:44 AllieBork: idk what went wrong there they're supposed to be copy pasted
13:45 MaridiuS: 00:08:575 (2,3,4,5) -
13:45 MaridiuS: here you reduced your usual visual spacing
13:45 MaridiuS: keep it the same in the section
13:45 MaridiuS: unless you KNOW what you're doing / like emphasizing something
13:46 MaridiuS: 00:10:409 (3,1,2) - visual spacing etc
13:46 MaridiuS: okay i will search for more aesthetic issues if i can find
13:46 MaridiuS: but i think that you understand about fixing visual spacing, and finding it on your own might be better
13:46 AllieBork: yeah
13:47 MaridiuS: 00:16:575 (3,6) - make em the same
13:48 AllieBork: I wont
13:48 AllieBork: then logically these 00:19:242 (3,6) - would have to be the same too
13:48 MaridiuS: then logically i'd change them too xd
13:48 MaridiuS: but i think its fine anyways
13:48 AllieBork: then it's 4 sliders the same and boring
13:48 AllieBork: also
13:48 AllieBork: notice how the map leads into it
13:48 AllieBork: the curved ones go in opposite direction they came from
13:48 MaridiuS: yes i see
13:48 MaridiuS: cool stuff
13:49 AllieBork: thstraight ones same
13:49 AllieBork: that's deliberate
13:49 AllieBork: I think the difference in visuals works with that
13:49 MaridiuS: i agree
13:49 MaridiuS: totally
13:49 MaridiuS: oaky now here
13:49 MaridiuS: its a bit fked
13:49 MaridiuS: 00:21:575 (2,3) -
13:49 MaridiuS: you use stacks on 1/2
13:49 MaridiuS: 00:21:909 (4,1) -
13:49 MaridiuS: yet you do them again on 1/1 rhythm
13:50 MaridiuS: 00:21:742 (3,4) -
13:50 MaridiuS: this spacing althought 1/2
13:50 MaridiuS: is same as
13:50 MaridiuS: 00:22:242 (1,2) - which is 1/1
13:50 AllieBork: every person i've playtested could read it
13:50 AllieBork: even with HD
13:51 MaridiuS: i see
13:51 AllieBork: it's a section heavily focused on reading. there's 1/2 stack on guitar and 1/1 on drum
13:51 AllieBork: same with spacing
13:51 MaridiuS: i think people will complain more about that
13:51 AllieBork: like... I get where you're coming from but i don't think I could very much change it. It'd lose spacing emphasis or something else
13:52 MaridiuS: 00:30:575 -
13:52 MaridiuS: i'd use this beat
13:52 MaridiuS: it will make going into the stream
13:52 MaridiuS: feel more smooth
13:52 AllieBork: what do yuo mean?
13:52 MaridiuS: because steram starts on 1/2 after the usual 1/1's
13:52 AllieBork: oh nvm
13:52 AllieBork: yeah
13:52 MaridiuS: meaning it will come out of nowhere ;d
13:52 AllieBork: I really wanted to use that beat but i also wanna follow the vocals
13:53 MaridiuS: 00:33:909 (3) - accidental clap
13:54 MaridiuS: think that on the end of section
13:54 MaridiuS: it is totally okay to use that baet
13:54 AllieBork: i think clap works there even though the music doesnt have it
13:54 AllieBork: have it here too 00:39:075 (2,3) -
13:54 AllieBork: just dont in one in the middle
13:54 AllieBork: I could either make them all have it or none
13:55 MaridiuS: you're following the music
13:55 MaridiuS: so maybe whistles
13:55 MaridiuS: if you really want something
13:55 MaridiuS: whistles can be placed more freely that claps
13:55 AllieBork: yeah
13:56 MaridiuS: 00:41:242 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - v. spacing isues
13:56 AllieBork: but then the clap conflicts with the rest
13:56 AllieBork: it felt
13:56 AllieBork: that's why i added the extra
13:57 AllieBork: the clap would feel out of place if it strictly followed the drums
13:57 AllieBork: triangulate this 00:41:909 (4,4,1) - and fix visual spacing here 00:41:409 (2,3,2) - would work?
13:58 AllieBork: will be kinda hard wihtout killing this 00:42:075 (1,2,3,4) -
13:58 MaridiuS: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/eXCH9Ly.jpg
13:59 AllieBork: you killed the pattern i mentioned at the end there
13:59 MaridiuS: how is it killed
13:59 MaridiuS: just a bit angled
14:01 AllieBork: update map
14:01 AllieBork: and check it now
14:01 AllieBork: its... idk. still visual spacing inconsistency
14:02 MaridiuS: yeah fixed few parts
14:02 MaridiuS: but needs more polishing
14:03 MaridiuS: 00:52:242 (2,2,2,2) -
14:03 MaridiuS: they dont have identical spacing
14:03 MaridiuS: from each other
14:03 MaridiuS: okay so to make it perfect
14:03 AllieBork: copy paste rotate
14:03 MaridiuS: no no
14:03 MaridiuS: move the (1)'s somewhere
14:03 AllieBork: 00:52:075 (1,1,1,1) - these are same
14:03 AllieBork: I mean, these are not perfect either
14:04 MaridiuS: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/4KvtDSZ.png
14:04 MaridiuS: and then
14:04 MaridiuS: with DS
14:04 MaridiuS: move all the 2's
14:04 AllieBork: wait what
14:04 AllieBork: i cant tell whats going on there
14:04 MaridiuS: on 0.1 DS i assume
14:04 MaridiuS: lol
14:05 AllieBork: do you just mean make the 2's as if its a stream then place them back?
14:05 MaridiuS: yes
14:05 MaridiuS: then return the 1's
14:05 MaridiuS: and you can do them the same with DS
14:05 AllieBork: I've remapped this section 5 times because idk how to make difficulty spike that plays well, that's why I kinda rushed it. but yeah should polish it and make it perfect
14:06 AllieBork: because i think the way it's now plays well (if I was gonna change it, no point in polishing, I mean)
14:06 AllieBork: I'll do that later yes
14:07 MaridiuS: nice
14:07 MaridiuS: okay so
14:07 MaridiuS: mute slider ends here pls
14:07 MaridiuS: 00:55:075 (1,1,1) -
14:07 AllieBork: K
14:08 MaridiuS: okay so this is weird
14:08 MaridiuS: 00:56:075 (1) -
14:08 MaridiuS: slider end followed by clap
14:08 MaridiuS: 00:57:742 (2) -
14:08 MaridiuS: here not
14:08 MaridiuS: think it will need some adjustments
14:08 MaridiuS: to make all claps clickable
14:09 MaridiuS: 01:00:409 (1,1,1) - okay so this doesnt look good
14:09 AllieBork: (changing stuff near the start so i dont forget, switching to 1.2ds on piano)
14:12 MaridiuS: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/tB60TDg.jpg id make it look like this and make em blanket like this https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/aGVNkHT.jpg
14:12 MaridiuS: 00:57:242 (1,2) - this overlap is a bit visible in gameplay refrain from doing that
14:13 MaridiuS: 00:58:742 (1,3) - same here, and visual spacing
14:13 AllieBork: k back
14:14 MaridiuS: 01:02:575 (1,2,3,1) - this is a bit uhm
14:14 MaridiuS: think there's no cure for that visual spacing with that placement
14:14 AllieBork: what do you think I should do for 00:56:075 (1) - ?
14:14 MaridiuS: i suggest remapping it somehow
14:15 MaridiuS: but for tht
14:15 MaridiuS: make the slider 1/2 or 3/4
14:16 AllieBork: but I want it to stand out from the sliders before it
14:17 MaridiuS: think not fking the rhythm
14:17 AllieBork: 00:57:242 (1,2) - what overlap?
14:17 MaridiuS: is bigger priority ;d
14:18 MaridiuS: 00:57:242 (1,2) -
14:18 AllieBork: but I have 1/1 sliders everywhere like that
14:18 MaridiuS: lol editor broke
14:18 MaridiuS: its not following the ones i copy pasted
14:18 AllieBork: oh
14:18 MaridiuS: 00:58:242 (2) -
14:19 MaridiuS: 01:06:742 (1,3) - you decided to go close blanketing all of a sudden
14:19 AllieBork: visual spacing should be fixed there anyway
14:20 MaridiuS: 01:11:409 (1,2) - i'd stack these
14:20 MaridiuS: to emphsize the vocals
14:20 MaridiuS: 01:13:075 (4) - this i'd place here
14:21 MaridiuS: to fill teh empty slot
14:21 MaridiuS: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/1IgeMDG.jpg
14:22 MaridiuS: 01:17:409 (1) - oddly looking slider
14:22 MaridiuS: make it normal
14:22 MaridiuS: oh wait
14:22 MaridiuS: make it look like something like this
14:22 MaridiuS: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/IgeQvj3.jpg
14:22 MaridiuS: too much points will make it look ugly
14:23 MaridiuS: anchors*
14:23 MaridiuS: you can make this one like thi
14:23 MaridiuS: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/TZvdDdX.jpg
14:23 AllieBork: 01:12:409 (2,3) - these aren't 120 degrees different
14:23 AllieBork: and blanketing or placing the note in the slot plays awful
14:24 MaridiuS: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/LbDD7YW.jpg this is another clean example
14:24 MaridiuS: actually it doesn't play weird
14:24 MaridiuS: at least to me, i checked the flow and its dope
14:24 MaridiuS: because to (4) it would be circular flow
14:24 MaridiuS: and (1) is weird flow because a strong beat
14:25 AllieBork: kk
14:25 AllieBork: 01:06:742 (1) - I change mapping here because though it's the chorus it does get different
14:25 AllieBork: I mean the close blanketing just looks ugly in general xd oops
14:26 MaridiuS: oops
14:28 MaridiuS: nvm i rememberd the commnd to save log
14:28 MaridiuS: well it depends on style and difficulty
14:28 MaridiuS: but mostly yeah
14:30 AllieBork: I mean close blanketing in extra
14:30 MaridiuS: 00:43:909 - why does this have
14:30 MaridiuS: such low SV
14:30 AllieBork: the entire section has low sv
14:30 MaridiuS: yes
14:30 AllieBork: from bookmark
14:30 MaridiuS: im refering to whole section
14:30 MaridiuS: also now that i check map
14:31 AllieBork: based on feeling from the music, i gues?
14:31 MaridiuS: the transition compared to the rest
14:31 MaridiuS: is a bit overspaced
14:31 AllieBork: where?
14:31 AllieBork: you mean between difficulties?
14:31 MaridiuS: no
14:31 MaridiuS: 00:50:742 -
14:31 MaridiuS: the buildup
14:31 AllieBork: ok where then
14:32 MaridiuS: 00:52:075 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) -
14:32 AllieBork: I think 00:50:742 (1) - this slider should be slower yeah
14:32 AllieBork: it spikes too hard
14:32 AllieBork: but jumps should be fine
14:32 AllieBork: it's pp spike
14:32 MaridiuS: chorus is easy
14:32 MaridiuS: everything is easy compared to that
14:32 MaridiuS: so i suggest reducing teh spacing
14:33 AllieBork: 00:49:242 (1,2,4,5) - I think I should build up the sv here and it'll be fine
14:33 AllieBork: idk, in editing ive upped the spacing a bit in some sections of the chorus
14:33 AllieBork: and second half of chorus is less intense than first
14:33 MaridiuS: 01:16:409 (2,3,4,5,6,7) -
14:33 MaridiuS: liek this is the most intense part of the song
14:33 AllieBork: except for... oh you just linked it
14:34 MaridiuS: and its silly compared to the buildup
14:34 AllieBork: I just upped the spacing there while fiddling around (fixing visual spacing)
14:34 AllieBork: a couple of minute ago
14:35 MaridiuS: 01:04:075 (1) - i'd make this a slider
14:35 AllieBork: im' not gonna change the buildup anymore because it'd fuck with my diff spread too much
14:36 MaridiuS: and thats it