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toby fox - Hopes and Dreams

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Topic Starter
Fatfan Kolek
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Montag, 18. September 2017 at 21:15:31

Artist: toby fox
Title: Hopes and Dreams
Source: UNDERTALE
Tags: Little CloudSplash16 Mazziv Rumia- MoeMoeKyunNN asriel dreemurr
BPM: 170,68
Filesize: 5913kb
Play Time: 02:57
Difficulties Available:
  1. Determination (5,33 stars, 701 notes)
  2. Easy (1,38 stars, 168 notes)
  3. Little's Normal (1,95 stars, 239 notes)
  4. Maz' Hard (3,38 stars, 376 notes)
  5. Rumi's Insane (4,38 stars, 568 notes)
Download: toby fox - Hopes and Dreams
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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VINXIS
playtested and talked about the 1 pattern that plays a bit wried
Topic Starter
Fatfan Kolek

VINXIS wrote:

playtested and talked about the 1 pattern that plays a bit wried
thanks for testing! will update
sahuang
M4M(My english is bad so don't mind if i make mistakes in expressing ideas :)

[General]
  1. Disable widescreen support in Little's and Rumi's diffs

[Little's Normal]
  1. 00:18:364 (2) - i think you should make the hitsound a little bit lower(like 20%) here: 00:19:067 - since there is no sound
  2. 01:06:142 (5,1) - too empty,maybe you can add another note 01:06:845 - ?

[Rumi's Insane]
  1. OD -0.5? Since it's only 4.2 stars
  2. 00:00:084 (1,2) - guess it's too far away compared to 00:00:787 (3,4,1,2) -
    you can ctrl+G 00:00:084 (1) -
  3. 00:08:520 (1,2) - and 00:09:224 (3,4) - i think the distance is not enough and people will make it 1/4 rather than 2/4
    also try NC 00:09:224 (3) -
  4. 00:37:316 (3) - you can still make it higher, and i dont understand why 7 dots for a slider?
  5. 01:04:560 (4) - delete
  6. 01:34:617 (3,6) - stack?
  7. 01:39:187 (5,6,7) - stack them together is better than 01:38:835 (3,4,6) -
  8. 01:46:921 (1,2,3,4,5) - i suggest 01:47:097 (2,4) - stack
  9. 02:44:398 (1,4) - stack?
  10. Rumiao god: teach me how to map on qq pls (runaway

[Determination]
  1. 01:05:264 (2,3,4,5) - not very good-looking. try to use slider instead of 01:05:615 (4,5) - ?
  2. 02:48:616 (2,1) - a little bit far away
  3. 02:56:877 (3,4) - maybe slider again cuz you use sliders 02:54:768 (3,3,3) - and i think the music is the same ^^

Hope it helps:)
I will link my map by forum/in-game pm!
Topic Starter
Fatfan Kolek

sahuang wrote:

[Determination]
  1. 01:05:264 (2,3,4,5) - not very good-looking. try to use slider instead of 01:05:615 (4,5) - ? looks good to me :o
  2. 02:48:616 (2,1) - a little bit far away It's for the extra emphasis hehe :D
  3. 02:56:877 (3,4) - maybe slider again cuz you use sliders 02:54:768 (3,3,3) - and i think the music is the same ^^ Didn't add a slider, but replaced the jumps as a star pattern

Hope it helps:) Thanks! :3
I will link my map by forum/in-game pm!
Konraduser
Hey,
I'm really bad at moderating and pointing what's wrong.
I've played Determination for first time ssomething like a month ago and it was one of my favourite maps till recently;
I don't know what you changed anymore but right now it's completely unplaayable for me ;/

If getting map approved means destroying it like in this case then it's not worth ... I regret updating ;/

Obviously it's just my opinion, I may be bulshitting in some ppl's eyes but if you have older versions - go ahead and compare them.

Edit: Use 22 500 offset or something like that. Both bpm and offset are wrong
YellowManul
hello


Little's Normal

00:29:582 (3,4) - fix blanket a little bit
00:56:299 (1) - i'd curve the end of this slider to better flow , idk => http://puu.sh/tlRLc/b34b72002b.jpg
01:49:733 (1,4) - hmm, looks kinda overlap :[ i'd Ctrl+ J 01:51:139 (4) - and blanket with 01:49:733 (1) -
02:38:773 (4) - short this slider to red tick and add circle to the white one http://puu.sh/tlRWQ/a3440cac8a.jpg
02:57:229 (1) - hs volume here is 50% smh, should be 5 i think?


Rumi's Insane
00:01:314 (4,1) - I'd put circle a little bit closer to the previous slider for aesthetics and you dont really need a jump here (like, consistant spacing here is 1,7x ?)
00:09:927 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - this combo spam doesnt make any sense tbh :[
00:25:364 (1) - add one more point to this curve slider, like a large straight section on this looke weird, smth like this => http://puu.sh/tlS6Q/07da4eaecd.jpg
00:30:285 (6,8) - fix blanket ;w;
00:30:988 (1) - not really accurate slider either, make these parts look equal by length (i mean start and ending, hope you understood ;w;)
00:45:929 (4,4) - and next sliders like these at this moment of song - they sound much better like this => http://puu.sh/tlSeC/cbbc4bda02.jpg
01:17:216 (1,2,3) - fix the flow here, like pattern looks better like this => http://puu.sh/tlShs/d73ac13670.jpg (put circle and last slider a little bit down pwp)
01:25:829 (5) - i'd fix this one by moving tail a little bit left http://puu.sh/tlSjm/a878540b65.jpg
01:55:709 (5,7) - fix blanket
01:57:467 (4,5) - ^
01:58:873 (3,6) - you could stack these
02:00:982 (4,6) - ^
02:09:068 (5,1) - fix blanket owo
02:32:797 (2) - straight slider looks just neater, imo http://puu.sh/tlSpE/b33c172473.jpg
02:41:585 (6) - this overlap is really not well ;w; i'd CTRL+G this one
everything else is ok

Determination
00:00:084 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - combo spam for no reason :[ (next one too)
00:39:777 (1,3) - fix this blanket
00:45:929 (3,4) - triple here looks neater http://puu.sh/tlSxQ/2027b74c56.jpg (i'd put triples in similar moments too) (00:51:553 (3,4,5) - Like here!)
00:54:893 (1) - dont really like this one, i'd copy 00:55:245 (2) - and Ctrl+G/H on previous slider's place owo http://puu.sh/tlSDm/d6f2f0dacb.jpg
cant' handle this combo spam really :^( do smth
01:48:679 (1,2) - you could blanket these
02:57:229 (1) - make this one jumpy cuz extra haha xd!! http://puu.sh/tlSL2/0a949835a4.jpg
not really strong at modding extras sorry (read as "i cant mod jumps rip me")




anyways, good luck with the map <3
Little

My Angel Azusa wrote:

[Little's Normal]
  1. 00:18:364 (2) - i think you should make the hitsound a little bit lower(like 20%) here: 00:19:067 - since there is no sound I think it doesn't matter.
  2. 01:06:142 (5,1) - too empty,maybe you can add another note 01:06:845 - ? The space fits the song imo.

YellowManul wrote:

Little's Normal

00:29:582 (3,4) - fix blanket a little bit Adjusted a bit.
00:56:299 (1) - i'd curve the end of this slider to better flow , idk => http://puu.sh/tlRLc/b34b72002b.jpg Fixed.
01:49:733 (1,4) - hmm, looks kinda overlap :[ i'd Ctrl+ J 01:51:139 (4) - and blanket with 01:49:733 (1) - I think it's fine.
02:38:773 (4) - short this slider to red tick and add circle to the white one http://puu.sh/tlRWQ/a3440cac8a.jpg Changed.
02:57:229 (1) - hs volume here is 50% smh, should be 5 i think? Fixed.
Thanks.

http://puu.sh/tlTzk/4294967cdb.zip
Topic Starter
Fatfan Kolek

YellowManul wrote:

hello


Determination
00:00:084 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - combo spam for no reason :[ (next one too) Oh it has a reason :D It's for the combocolour emphasis as it resembles all rainbow colours which you can clearly see in this boss fight :p
00:39:777 (1,3) - fix this blanket fixed
00:45:929 (3,4) - triple here looks neater http://puu.sh/tlSxQ/2027b74c56.jpg (i'd put triples in similar moments too) (00:51:553 (3,4,5) - Like here!) fixed
00:54:893 (1) - dont really like this one, i'd copy 00:55:245 (2) - and Ctrl+G/H on previous slider's place owo http://puu.sh/tlSDm/d6f2f0dacb.jpg should be fine :D
cant' handle this combo spam really :^( do smth as said above
01:48:679 (1,2) - you could blanket these should also be fine :D
02:57:229 (1) - make this one jumpy cuz extra haha xd!! http://puu.sh/tlSL2/0a949835a4.jpg oh, oki, increased the last jump :D
not really strong at modding extras sorry (read as "i cant mod jumps rip me") haha, it's ok




anyways, good luck with the map <3 thank you!! <3
Rumia-
i remapped almost all object and some of them i applied in both sahuang and yellow manul's mod but i forgot which and which lool but thanks for modding my bad map XD
sdafsf
determination
00:01:490 (1,2) - why bigger than before?
00:05:708 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - same sounds but different spacing. the 3rd pair is a different sound but the spacing is the same as first. i dont see the intention here. i wont point out the ones that follow but the same point come up again.
00:21:322 - way too much NC in thiswhole section whole map. NC all the red timing sections and the big white slider lines.
00:45:050 (1) - weird how you sometimes use a 1/1 slider and sometimes two 1/2 sliders 00:47:862 (1,2) - . get some consistency in there. try to map same sound with same rhythyms. at least when theyre in the same section.
01:29:695 (1,1) - this overlap doesnt look very nice. and there are similar in the rest of the section. be careful with overlap
01:58:522 (2,3) - this could be a blanket


overall you should try not to overuse and and touse similar slider shapes through out the map. otherwise it feels really messy.
nice map!
rumis insane
00:05:708 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - the first 3 sliders seem to be mapped to the violin but on the 4th there is no more violin. i feel like the shape shouldnt be the same.
00:17:660 (3,4) - blanket could be fixed
00:18:188 (4,1) - could be a blanket
00:29:758 (2,5) - needs fixing
00:33:801 (1,2) - weird rhythm the sliders should be on white ticks.
00:59:639 (3) - this beat seems out of place to me
01:02:627 (3,2) - these too are too close for my taste
01:13:525 (3,6) - ugly overlap
01:19:501 (1,2) - blanket again
01:27:235 (4,6) - ugly overlap
01:47:624 (5,6) - ^
02:06:959 (6,1) - blanket

overall nice map. but you should be more careful with blankets and overlap.

gl!
Pachiru
[Normal]
  1. 00:16:957 (1,2) - Ehhhhhhhhh, why not moving this to an other way so we could avoid the overlap ? :(
  2. 01:49:733 (1,4) - Avoid overlap here if this is possible ewe
  3. 01:49:733 (1,2) - And this part feels very weird here to be honest, why not doing just a 1/1 slider? It will fit better with the song in my opinion.
  4. 01:44:109 (1,2) - Same for here. It's strange, but to me it feels better with one long slider+one 1/1 slider instead of one long slider + circle
[Hard]
  1. 00:08:520 (2) - On this reverse slider, I would put the last circle of the reverse as a clickable beat.
  2. 01:20:731 (2,3) - That overlap is weird and it could be avoided.
  3. 02:33:675 (5,6) - Eh this feels strange... Why not adding an overlap in the middle so it would be better to read I guess
[Insane]
  1. 00:37:843 (4,1,2) - I don't know if it's from my skin or not, but I see those two notes in the same color. That would be cool if these NC and the previous combo would be in two different color than blue, because it can be hard to read tho.
  2. 02:21:548 (5) - Put this slider a bit down so we can see clearly the slider please :(
  3. 02:57:229 (1) - Nice slider *^*
That's all for me, since all the diff are perfect, I couldn't find something else to it :(
GG to the group :) !
Hollow Delta
From #modreqs doing m4m

Determination
00:17:660 (1,2) - I suggest nerfing this random spike in the jump.
00:22:552 - Why not start the kiai here where the ambience in the background comes in?
00:24:661 (2,3) - This is where the stronger beat is, so shouldn't 2 be further from 1? ctrl+g on this pair and 00:25:012 (1,2) - should be a simple fix.
00:35:910 (2,3,1,2) - ^
General opinion about this diff, I feel like the major issues are your constant anti-jumps and the lack of circular motion throughout the map. Just as an example patterns like 01:36:726 (2,1,2) - 00:16:606 (3,4,1) - Don't play well because the player has to stop to hit 1, and then continue in the same direction. The player needs to snap the opposite direction after hitting the first note so they have something to springboard off of. Also patterns like 01:15:985 (1,2,1,2,1) - don't play very well because they have no circular motion to backup their movement, also it's not a repetitive pattern so the player can't take advantage of temporary muscle memory. ctrl+g on the second pair and that's an example of circular motion.
01:48:327 (1,2,1,2,1) - This is a good pattern because you have the same idea while the player has a clean understanding and path to what notes are coming up next. And it plays very well.

Insane
00:02:544 (4) - This note is structured a bit randomly. Curving this slider so it faces the left would make more sense as that's where the next note is located.
00:07:642 (2) - This is mapped to a different instrument, so using the same slider shape is miss-leading. The length is correct though, but you need a different shape to show it's a different sound.
00:11:333 (1) - From here to 00:16:782 - your slider shapes were more technical, despite no change in the song. Stay consistent with your slider shapes as they give your map emotion.
00:28:176 (1,2,3,4) - These notes have the same intensity, so they should all share the same angle.
Overall this diff has 'okay' flow, I feel your structure needs to be improved a bit, as some of your patterns feel random and inconsistent. Try to make your patterns look good before you think about playability.

Hard
00:56:651 (2,1,2) - The structure here could be improved. I think making these symmetrical would look good.

Normal
Check aimod. Some notes are unsnapped.
00:11:333 (1,2) - Overlaps these close might cause rankability issues. Since there is no easy diff in this set your normal has to follow the criteria of an easy.
00:24:485 (3) - I don't hear a note here.
00:27:297 (4) - ^
00:33:449 (4,1) - Overlaps like these however should be okay because the player will see the slider body snake out.
00:35:734 (4) - Again, I don't hear anything clickable here. I suggest going through the whole diff and removing all unjustified 1/2 notes like these.
01:09:482 (5,1) - Spread these notes out a bit more. Overlaps this close on the timeline will cause rankability problems.
01:11:240 (3) - Missing hitsound.
Throughout this section, your inconsistent on your hitsounds. Use a copier from one of the other diffs if you have to.
This diff has siome pretty patterns with the sliders, but due to the overmap 1/2 streams and the really quick overlaps those might cause problems in the future, so I suggest going back and fixing those.
Topic Starter
Fatfan Kolek

sdafsf wrote:

00:01:490 (1,2) - why bigger than before? It's not that big of a spacing difference, I don't think i need to be that consistent in terms of spacing in that part as this is an extra difficulty. Also it's not really a powerspike as one would assume.
00:05:708 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - same sounds but different spacing. the 3rd pair is a different sound but the spacing is the same as first. i dont see the intention here. i wont point out the ones that follow but the same point come up again. pretty much as stated above
00:21:322 - way too much NC in thiswhole section whole map. NC all the red timing sections and the big white slider lines. No, the intention here is to feel the rainbow combo colours as they can be seen throughout the whole bossfight against Asriel.
00:45:050 (1) - weird how you sometimes use a 1/1 slider and sometimes two 1/2 sliders 00:47:862 (1,2) - . get some consistency in there. try to map same sound with same rhythyms. at least when theyre in the same section. There is a system behind it, it adds more variety. I know I could've emphasiszed every 1/1, but i wanted to do it like this.
01:29:695 (1,1) - this overlap doesnt look very nice. and there are similar in the rest of the section. be careful with overlap Fixed.
01:58:522 (2,3) - this could be a blanket Fixed.


overall you should try not to overuse and and touse similar slider shapes through out the map. otherwise it feels really messy.
nice map! Oh boy, yeah this map is kinda old I have to admit, but thanks anyways! :D

gl!

Bubblun wrote:

From #modreqs doing m4m

Determination
00:17:660 (1,2) - I suggest nerfing this random spike in the jump. Stated above in the other mod.
00:22:552 - Why not start the kiai here where the ambience in the background comes in? I think the part before sounds also cool, so i put the kiai start there, lol.
00:24:661 (2,3) - This is where the stronger beat is, so shouldn't 2 be further from 1? ctrl+g on this pair and 00:25:012 (1,2) - should be a simple fix. Weird, I feel like (2) to (3) should be emphasized as the strong sounds begin on (2) and end with (3). :o
00:35:910 (2,3,1,2) - ^^
General opinion about this diff, I feel like the major issues are your constant anti-jumps and the lack of circular motion throughout the map. Just as an example patterns like 01:36:726 (2,1,2) - 00:16:606 (3,4,1) - Don't play well because the player has to stop to hit 1, and then continue in the same direction. The player needs to snap the opposite direction after hitting the first note so they have something to springboard off of. Also patterns like 01:15:985 (1,2,1,2,1) - don't play very well because they have no circular motion to backup their movement, also it's not a repetitive pattern so the player can't take advantage of temporary muscle memory. ctrl+g on the second pair and that's an example of circular motion. Not everything has to be circular movement in order to feel good to play. I think my patterns play fine as they are right now. D:
01:48:327 (1,2,1,2,1) - This is a good pattern because you have the same idea while the player has a clean understanding and path to what notes are coming up next. And it plays very well. Thanks though! :D

Thank you too for your mod! :D
Little

Pachiru wrote:

[Normal]
  1. 00:16:957 (1,2) - Ehhhhhhhhh, why not moving this to an other way so we could avoid the overlap ? :( Why avoid overlap?
  2. 01:49:733 (1,4) - Avoid overlap here if this is possible ewe
  3. 01:49:733 (1,2) - And this part feels very weird here to be honest, why not doing just a 1/1 slider? It will fit better with the song in my opinion. Current rhythm fits better.
  4. 01:44:109 (1,2) - Same for here. It's strange, but to me it feels better with one long slider+one 1/1 slider instead of one long slider + circle

Bubblun wrote:

Normal
Check aimod. Some notes are unsnapped. No.
00:11:333 (1,2) - Overlaps these close might cause rankability issues. Since there is no easy diff in this set your normal has to follow the criteria of an easy. No.
00:24:485 (3) - I don't hear a note here. I do.
00:27:297 (4) - ^
00:33:449 (4,1) - Overlaps like these however should be okay because the player will see the slider body snake out.
00:35:734 (4) - Again, I don't hear anything clickable here. I suggest going through the whole diff and removing all unjustified 1/2 notes like these.
01:09:482 (5,1) - Spread these notes out a bit more. Overlaps this close on the timeline will cause rankability problems. No, it looks fine.
01:11:240 (3) - Missing hitsound. What hitsound is missing?
Throughout this section, your inconsistent on your hitsounds. Use a copier from one of the other diffs if you have to. Why should I do that?
This diff has siome pretty patterns with the sliders, but due to the overmap 1/2 streams and the really quick overlaps those might cause problems in the future, so I suggest going back and fixing those. They're not overmapped. They all follow drum in the song.
Thanks.
Hollow Delta
[

Bubblun wrote:

Normal
Check aimod. Some notes are unsnapped. No.
00:11:333 (1,2) - Overlaps these close might cause rankability issues. Since there is no easy diff in this set your normal has to follow the criteria of an easy. No.
00:24:485 (3) - I don't hear a note here. I do.
00:27:297 (4) - ^
00:33:449 (4,1) - Overlaps like these however should be okay because the player will see the slider body snake out.
00:35:734 (4) - Again, I don't hear anything clickable here. I suggest going through the whole diff and removing all unjustified 1/2 notes like these.
01:09:482 (5,1) - Spread these notes out a bit more. Overlaps this close on the timeline will cause rankability problems. No, it looks fine.
01:11:240 (3) - Missing hitsound. What hitsound is missing?
Throughout this section, your inconsistent on your hitsounds. Use a copier from one of the other diffs if you have to. Why should I do that?
This diff has siome pretty patterns with the sliders, but due to the overmap 1/2 streams and the really quick overlaps those might cause problems in the future, so I suggest going back and fixing those. They're not overmapped. They all follow drum in the song.
Thanks.[/quote]

Could you at least explain yourself instead of simply saying 'no'? lol
Mazziv

Pachiru wrote:

  1. 00:08:520 (2) - On this reverse slider, I would put the last circle of the reverse as a clickable beat. i chose to ignore this beat for the sake of simplicty
  2. 01:20:731 (2,3) - That overlap is weird and it could be avoided. it was intended i dont see why it should be removed
  3. 02:33:675 (5,6) - Eh this feels strange... Why not adding an overlap in the middle so it would be better to read I guess its fine? i guess...

Bubblun wrote:

From #modreqs doing m4m



Hard
00:56:651 (2,1,2) - The structure here could be improved. I think making these symmetrical would look good. it is symmetrical but its turned downwards

thanks for the mod guys,no changes doe!
Little

Bubblun wrote:

Could you at least explain yourself instead of simply saying 'no'? lol
1. There are no unsnapped notes.
2. Overlaps like these will not cause rankability issues. Your statement about Normal following criteria of Easy is untrue.
3. There are drum notes in the song at every part where you said there is no note.
Hollow Delta

Little wrote:

Bubblun wrote:

Could you at least explain yourself instead of simply saying 'no'? lol
2. Overlaps like these will not cause rankability issues. Your statement about Normal following criteria of Easy is untrue.
https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Difficulty_appr ... y_elements

Little
Hollow Delta

Little wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Ranking_Criteria
Okay... what're you trying to prove?
Rumia-
guideline =/= ranking criteria is what he meant, also replying mod when i get home from work /
and what the actual fuk is 1/2 streams
Topic Starter
Fatfan Kolek
added an easy diff to solve your guys' problem lol
DeRandom Otaku
NC fixes in easy
13:54 Fatfan Kolek: heey
13:54 Fatfan Kolek: can i ask you for a short mod? :D
13:54 DeRandom Otaku: Umm yea sure
13:54 *Fatfan Kolek is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1220231 toby fox - Hopes and Dreams]
13:54 Fatfan Kolek: only the easy if possible
13:54 DeRandom Otaku: Just a min. my maps are being processed lol
13:55 Fatfan Kolek: k :d
14:00 DeRandom Otaku: turn of widescreen support lol
14:01 DeRandom Otaku: 00:21:322 - actually why do u have a kiai here? its not a part of chorus or anything
14:01 DeRandom Otaku: there isnt even any note there lol
14:01 DeRandom Otaku: 00:23:958 (1) - 00:26:770 (3) - consistent nc
14:02 Fatfan Kolek: whoops
14:02 Fatfan Kolek: both fixed
14:04 DeRandom Otaku: 01:49:733 (5) - nc
14:04 Fatfan Kolek: lol fixed
14:05 Fatfan Kolek: made this diff in like half an hour
14:05 Fatfan Kolek: NCs are inconsistent xD
14:05 DeRandom Otaku: i see copy paste
14:05 DeRandom Otaku: xd
14:05 Fatfan Kolek: shh
14:06 DeRandom Otaku: 02:55:823 (5,1) - swipe nc
14:06 DeRandom Otaku: yes NCs only
14:06 DeRandom Otaku: rest is cute.
14:06 Fatfan Kolek: oki thanks :D
14:06 Fatfan Kolek: want kds for that?
14:06 DeRandom Otaku: but the fact ur first kiai is has such a simple rhythm , simpler than the non kiai part ahead is kinda eh..
14:06 DeRandom Otaku: ye sure. i havent got kd in a while lol
Rumia-
@sdafsf fixed all the blankets , didnt change any rhytm
@Pachiru fixed the should be visible slider , the combo color shouldnt be a problem
@bublblbbm , alternating straight and curve sliders arent a problem , you just dont see my concept , i intentionally change the flow of slider (2) as i follow differnet instrument , its never misleading out of testplays i received , what does emotion means, aanyways , fixed the last point

lazy to quote
osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: Asriel Dreemurr Theme.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 21322
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
DistanceSpacing: 0.1
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 1.3

[Metadata]
Title:Hopes and Dreams
TitleUnicode:Hopes and Dreams
Artist:toby fox
ArtistUnicode:toby fox
Creator:Fatfan Kolek
Version:Rumi's Insane
Source:UNDERTALE
Tags:Little CloudSplash16 Euny Natsu Rumia-
BeatmapID:923907
BeatmapSetID:414432

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:6
CircleSize:4
OverallDifficulty:8
ApproachRate:9
SliderMultiplier:1.6
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
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//Break Periods
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//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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Topic Starter
Fatfan Kolek
updated~
diraimur
tfw in game version is 180 bpm but toby fox put this weird bpm version on ost
im trigger :<
Lasse
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general
apparently normal-hitfinish7 is unused
bg resolution is off by 1 pixel lol. also since up to 1920x1200 is now rankable maybe try to find it in higher quality?

I think most or even all parts could use silenced sliderslides cause you use normal sampleset and they sound pretty annoying there
02:57:229 - this would be nice if you did the mute thing als also added normal sliderwhistle. then do something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/cdOIR3kv.png with the timing points to fade the slide out (make sure you change/alternate sampleset on each volume change or it wont work)
02:27:524 - muting sliderends for the 3/4s in this part (or at least less volume) would be great since they create a weird hitsound rhythm that doesnt really fit the song

00:22:552 - red and green line have different volume/kiai settings here on all diffs
00:21:322 - same but only on top diff it seems


determination
ar feels slightly too much, 9.2 would be nicer or maybe even 9 lol
hp 6.5 or even 7 might be nice too
00:00:787 (1,2) - movement here feels so forced and tilts me whenver I play this diff. if you want to keep . I'd just rearrange 00:00:084 (1,2,1,2) - somehow without forcing this to be a blanket. all other similar patterns you do play so much better
00:08:169 (3) - since you also have it later it seems intentional, but I think the soft sliderwhistle sounds pretty weird here // 00:19:418 (3) -
00:44:347 (3,4,1,2) - shouldnt these be in one group nc and pattern wise instead cause it seems music changes on 3
00:45:050 (1) - movement here feels really forced to me cause cause of how the slider leads it. think just flipping the slider or something like that would work well http://lasse.s-ul.eu/1OJ1uE7p.png
00:46:456 (1,3,4,5) - looks really broken ingame cause of autostacking http://lasse.s-ul.eu/XC0dD4zX.png just move the stack down/right to fix it
01:56:237 (2) - similar issue with movement into slider, but the only fitting shape I could come up with is a straight slider http://lasse.s-ul.eu/ElLDH5Ag.png and since you usually dont use the same shape twice in a row here it's kinda lol. maybe you can come up with something
02:36:136 - sound like according to the instruments the patterning should change here instead of 02:35:785 (1) - ? // 02:47:386 - same here

rumia
would also mute sliderslides cause normal ones sound kinda lol in most spots
00:00:084 - to 00:21:176 - think this part would be much nicer with default soft hitnormals, they kicks feels pretty unfitting
02:14:868 - to 02:25:942 - pretty much same as ^
also why these normal hitnormals?? they dont seem to fit the song in any way, just remove them or find better fitting ones I think
00:25:364 (1) - subjective but I think it would look nice if you made a more "balanced" shape like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/KyzoknJg maybe?
00:49:268 - do something about the hitsounding of the overmapped 3/4 sliderends in this part, they sound so unfitting (lower volume+default soft maybe)
01:01:221 (4) - seems a bit unfitting with melody on both parts of it and guitar on tail, something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/BKsnljVf or whatever
01:05:088 (2,3,4) - similar here, I can't really get what youre following
gameplay wise diff is alright, but the hitsound is really tilting me :c

mazziv
00:35:734 (6,7,8) - really minor, but this would look cute if you made the visual spacing more even http://lasse.s-ul.eu/qsfpfp5l
01:10:009 (8) - looks like it was a triple at one point lol. idk why you would stack 1/2 under a slider here // same for things like 01:12:119 (6) - etc
01:18:798 - why is this part suddenly mapped like a normal and ignoring so much of the song?
02:01:861 - song switches to offbeat emphasis here but your sliders keep emphasizing white ticks. maybe try a rhythm like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/8LFNzksO
02:12:935 (3,4,5,6,7) - similar ^
02:33:675 (5,6) - http://lasse.s-ul.eu/lsMhLiFt triggered
02:47:386 (1) - if this is supposed to follow the held sound it shoul start way earlier, like on 02:47:122 -
02:55:119 (3,4) - thats a pretty sudden huge jump, even with slider leniency it seems way too much

little
01:53:952 (3) - did you consider making things like these into two circles for this part? think it would fit the song really well and hard uses really dense 1/2 rhythms here, so would be great if this diff had some more active 1/2 stuff here too
02:02:564 - why not something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/p8IsNTQ9 here? would fit great with the melody
02:07:837 (3) - seems a bit too undermapped compared to the whole part, maybe http://lasse.s-ul.eu/GuOTrc1k ?
02:27:524 (4) - similar here, would also nicely differentiate it from 02:30:336 (3) - which sounds so different

easy
00:45:050 - 01:06:230 - there are 2 circles in this whole part and both right at the end, a better slider/circle balance would be great
you could just replace a few of the 2/1 sliders like 00:46:456 - 00:52:081 (2) - 00:57:705 (2) - with two circles for example
01:18:798 - 01:29:344 - similar thing
01:56:588 - emphasis is on this, so mapping to that instead of having a slider that start on a much weaker sound right after would be great. examples http://lasse.s-ul.eu/YbY0SMA2 http://lasse.s-ul.eu/JLUhpKrI same for similar spots like 02:13:462 -
01:36:199 - similar issue here, something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/yM7P0IfD or http://lasse.s-ul.eu/iZ9HDFvu could work // 01:41:648 (2) - 01:47:272 (2) - etc same thing
Mazziv

Lasse wrote:

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mazziv
00:35:734 (6,7,8) - really minor, but this would look cute if you made the visual spacing more even http://lasse.s-ul.eu/qsfpfp5l should be fixd
01:10:009 (8) - looks like it was a triple at one point lol. idk why you would stack 1/2 under a slider here // same for things like 01:12:119 (6) - etc it was a triple but ff apparently removed it? i honestly dont know lol
01:18:798 - why is this part suddenly mapped like a normal and ignoring so much of the song? i was trying to emphasize the melody that came in
02:01:861 - song switches to offbeat emphasis here but your sliders keep emphasizing white ticks. maybe try a rhythm like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/8LFNzksO i like my sliderspam rhythm :( and i dont think its really thaaaaaaaat bad
02:12:935 (3,4,5,6,7) - similar ^ aaaa
02:33:675 (5,6) - http://lasse.s-ul.eu/lsMhLiFt triggered
02:47:386 (1) - if this is supposed to follow the held sound it shoul start way earlier, like on 02:47:122 - done
02:55:119 (3,4) - thats a pretty sudden huge jump, even with slider leniency it seems way too much kinda remapped it
thanks for mod

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440,192,149633,1,2,2:2:0:0:
344,120,149809,2,0,P|269:102|196:126,1,155,6|2,1:2|2:2,0:0:0:0:
136,224,150336,2,0,P|140:140|68:68,1,155,6|2,1:2|2:2,0:0:0:0:
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220,172,151918,6,0,L|53:185,1,155,2|2,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
152,264,152445,1,0,0:0:0:0:
220,172,152621,2,0,P|226:138|272:80,2,77.5,2|2|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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408,16,154027,2,0,P|340:28|244:12,1,155,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
140,32,154554,1,0,0:0:0:0:
148,148,154730,6,0,P|155:182|144:232,1,77.5,6|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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432,68,156839,1,2,0:2:0:0:
432,68,157191,1,2,0:2:0:0:
200,76,157542,6,0,P|224:140|192:248,1,155,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
112,156,158070,1,0,0:0:0:0:
200,76,158246,2,0,P|272:51|347:67,1,155,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
440,136,158773,2,0,L|424:304,1,155,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
324,344,159300,2,0,P|280:340|243:323,1,77.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
132,312,159652,2,0,P|153:279|183:255,1,77.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
264,172,160003,2,0,P|280:206|286:244,1,77.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
156,160,160355,6,0,P|139:125|168:8,1,155,6|2,1:2|2:0,0:0:0:0:
252,88,160882,1,2,2:0:0:0:
156,160,161058,2,0,P|129:232|151:305,1,155,6|2,1:2|2:0,0:0:0:0:
260,340,161585,2,0,P|333:318|404:345,1,155,6|2,1:2|2:0,0:0:0:0:
484,364,162113,2,0,L|496:280,1,77.5,2|2,2:0|2:0,0:0:0:0:
504,172,162464,2,0,L|425:203,1,77.5,2|0,1:0|2:0,0:0:0:0:
320,236,162816,2,0,L|380:283,1,77.5,2|0,1:0|2:0,0:0:0:0:
432,200,163167,6,0,P|457:136|420:52,1,155,2|2,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
320,20,163694,1,0,0:0:0:0:
272,128,163870,2,0,L|264:216,2,77.5,2|2|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
196,40,164397,2,0,P|129:22|52:68,1,155,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
80,176,164925,2,0,P|100:224|88:264,1,77.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
192,316,165276,2,0,P|173:282|175:244,1,77.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
232,144,165628,2,0,P|252:192|240:232,1,77.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
192,316,165979,6,0,L|368:288,1,155,6|6,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
420,200,166507,1,0,0:0:0:0:
340,116,166683,2,0,L|164:88,1,155,6|6,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,192,167122,12,6,168792,0:0:0:0:
103,99,174416,6,0,P|168:80|260:112,1,155,2|4,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
344,172,174944,1,0,0:0:0:0:
288,296,175119,2,0,P|264:312|208:320,1,77.5
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344,372,176350,1,0,0:0:0:0:
425,320,176526,2,0,P|437:284|413:224,1,77.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
292,222,176877,2,0,P|280:258|304:318,1,77.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
380,128,177229,5,2,0:0:0:0:
256,192,177404,12,0,180041,0:0:0:0:
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