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DragonForce - My Spirit Will Go On

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DoKito
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Donnerstag, 27. August 2015 at 21:38:08

Artist: DragonForce
Title: My Spirit Will Go On
Tags: sonic firestorm dokolp metal rock death metal marathon speed
BPM: 200
Filesize: 8313kb
Play Time: 07:49
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  1. Relentless (7,63 stars, 2910 notes)
Download: DragonForce - My Spirit Will Go On
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Reworked. Let's rank this baby.

Thanks to Mao for hitsounding this!

Keep in mind that this is not the typical CS5 DragonForce kind of map. I hope you guys still enjoy it.
Jenny
I appreciate every help i can get :3


You should get some consistency into mapping the same sound pattern multiple times - having a fullscreen jump for one time and a 1.0x snap for the other occurance with exactly no change in tone or pace in the song is not a sign of a reasonable map.

I've looked at the first thirty seconds of the actual mapping and found a lot of issues with inconsitent use of slider leniency, distance spacing and tripples, so you really want to look into.


Reference material for a few things is to be found here - if you want an actual and full-size mod, I'd have to see where I can fit it into my schedule.



This post was created on a request of having a look at said map, it is not my original intention - please don't take any sort of implications from it. Thanks.
ayiku
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Topic Starter
DoKito

Jenny wrote:

I appreciate every help i can get :3


You should get some consistency into mapping the same sound pattern multiple times - having a fullscreen jump for one time and a 1.0x snap for the other occurance with exactly no change in tone or pace in the song is not a sign of a reasonable map.

I've looked at the first thirty seconds of the actual mapping and found a lot of issues with inconsitent use of slider leniency, distance spacing and tripples, so you really want to look into.


Reference material for a few things is to be found here - if you want an actual and full-size mod, I'd have to see where I can fit it into my schedule.



This post was created on a request of having a look at said map, it is not my original intention - please don't take any sort of implications from it. Thanks.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/18841
Jenny
I see. Well that's one way to look at it without addressing the concerns you were given.
Topic Starter
DoKito

Jenny wrote:

I see. Well that's one way to look at it without addressing the concerns you were given.
Well. It's just that I'm not DJPop, who constantly maps with distance snap. I find it quite boring and (believe me or not) I think about every jump i place. Not about the exact distance, but whether about it fits to the song or not (in my personal taste).
Kuron-kun
(ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:・゚✧

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DoKo


00:23:850 (6) - Since you were always using jumps on those sections, you should add one here too to be consistent. Here's a suggestion https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/2809564.

00:33:000 (4) - Ctrl + G this would improve the flow a lot. It would be smoother.

00:39:750 (11) - Wasn't the NC supposed to start here? Since you're always adding one in a big white tick and it's a new section.

00:49:800 (1) - Why NC here and not 00:49:350 (4) - here? :c

00:54:150 (11,1) - Same as above.

There are some things like these I mentioned above about the NC, I didn't really understand why you did but it's okay since it's consistent.

00:57:450 (10) - Increasing the jump here would be better better. The section is being emphasized by 00:56:550 (8,9) - with bigger jumps, an anti-jump would break this ;_; https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/2809668.

01:19:950 (9,10,11,12) - This is a REALLY breaking-flow-and-combo pattern, doesn't fit well there in my opinion, doing this would be better https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/2809727 (look at the numbers). This is just a suggestion, but really recommended tho.

01:23:250 (2) - Ctrl + G this wouldn't break the flow and put enphasis on this beat 01:23:550 (3) - . Since the vocal is strong there I guess there is no problem and it would be better to add a jump c:

01:28:200 (2) - Overlaping this was confusing, I thought it was a 3/4 rhythm, at least while a played. Maybe it's just me ;_;

02:22:800 (10) - There's no need of a 1/8 here, there is no 1/8 rhythm here and you were always using big sliders to enphasize this part. Would be weird to have just one 1/8 slider here :c

03:12:150 (14) - You probably forgot to add a NC here :D

03:18:750 - You really shouldn't ignore those beats, try adding a stream with a low DS here or 1/4 sliders.

03:52:800 (10) - Same about the 1/8 I've mentioned before.

04:17:850 (10) - What about a Ctrl + G to improve the flow? :D

04:55:645 (1) - Using a gray 1/16 tick here would be better. Try listening at 25% and you'll see that 1/2 is really late.

04:56:814 (1) - Same here, but 1/4 is better than 1/16.

05:02:250 (10,11,12,13) - Why slow spaced streams? You were using 0,9x before, try to do the same here, I couldn't notice any weak beats here for low DS :c

05:55:800 - You should add a stacked circle here. Do anything but pleeeeeeeease don't ignore this beat ;_;

06:24:450 (1) - I don't recommend stacking this. Some players can miss this by clicking more than 17 times. It's nearly on the end and missing here would be really bad. Plus, the beat here is strong, stacking is really not a good idea.

07:01:875 (4,5,6,7) - This is more spaced than 07:01:650 (1,2,3) - . Is it intentional? If it is, you can ignore this.

07:36:450 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - ♥ ♥ ♥

07:39:450 (1,2,3) - Since the spacing between these sliders and 07:38:850 (1,2,3) - is really near, it can cause a sliderbreak confusing the players. I'd recommend increase the spacing a bit, or instead of sliders you can add streams.

07:42:450 (13) - New combo here? c:

07:49:050 - There is no beat here to follow, you should end the spinner here and delete 07:49:200 (1) - this note. But it's just a suggestion, you can keep it if you like.

I like this map <3
Jenny

DoKito wrote:

Jenny wrote:

I see. Well that's one way to look at it without addressing the concerns you were given.
Well. It's just that I'm not DJPop, who constantly maps with distance snap. I find it quite boring and (believe me or not) I think about every jump i place. Not about the exact distance, but whether about it fits to the song or not (in my personal taste).

I was not talking about jumps.

these are the kinds of things I am talking about
00:19:950 (5,6) - medium spacing, fine
00:20:250 (6,1) - medium jump, fine
00:21:150 (5,6) - big spacing; why? it's the exact same soundpattern but it's a huge mirrorjump
00:21:450 (6,1) - not a jump at all; why? you used one for the previous occurance of this, why not here?
00:23:550 (5,6,1) - here you don't use any real spacing at all anymore though nothing changed

things like these repeat throughout the entire map
Topic Starter
DoKito

Jenny wrote:

I was not talking about jumps.

these are the kinds of things I am talking about
00:19:950 (5,6) - medium spacing, fine
00:20:250 (6,1) - medium jump, fine
00:21:150 (5,6) - big spacing; why? it's the exact same soundpattern but it's a huge mirrorjump
00:21:450 (6,1) - not a jump at all; why? you used one for the previous occurance of this, why not here?
00:23:550 (5,6,1) - here you don't use any real spacing at all anymore though nothing changed

things like these repeat throughout the entire map
00:21:450 (6,1) - not a jump at all; why? you used one for the previous occurance of this, why not here?

Okay. With this you are right, but why do i have to have the exact same distance in every jump? That mirror jump is not even that huge imo.


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DoKo


00:23:850 (6) - Since you were always using jumps on those sections, you should add one here too to be consistent. Here's a suggestion https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/2809564. fixed. Dunno why i did that myself.

00:33:000 (4) - Ctrl + G this would improve the flow a lot. It would be smoother. done

00:39:750 (11) - Wasn't the NC supposed to start here? Since you're always adding one in a big white tick and it's a new section. Doesn't really look too good and i want these 3 circles to be kind of seperated.

00:49:800 (1) - Why NC here and not 00:49:350 (4) - here? :c changed

00:54:150 (11,1) - Same as above. Nah. This is fine as it is imo.

There are some things like these I mentioned above about the NC, I didn't really understand why you did but it's okay since it's consistent.

00:57:450 (10) - Increasing the jump here would be better better. The section is being emphasized by 00:56:550 (8,9) - with bigger jumps, an anti-jump would break this ;_; https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/2809668. I didn't want that sliderende to disappear under that long slider before... But i guess that's irrelevant.

01:19:950 (9,10,11,12) - This is a REALLY breaking-flow-and-combo pattern, doesn't fit well there in my opinion, doing this would be better https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/2809727 (look at the numbers). This is just a suggestion, but really recommended tho. fixed

01:23:250 (2) - Ctrl + G this wouldn't break the flow and put enphasis on this beat 01:23:550 (3) - . Since the vocal is strong there I guess there is no problem and it would be better to add a jump c: fixed

01:28:200 (2) - Overlaping this was confusing, I thought it was a 3/4 rhythm, at least while a played. Maybe it's just me ;_; Nobody else got a problem with that so far, but if somebody else mentions it again i will change it (:

02:22:800 (10) - There's no need of a 1/8 here, there is no 1/8 rhythm here and you were always using big sliders to enphasize this part. Would be weird to have just one 1/8 slider here :c You are right. Really no point in making a 1/8 there. But i kinda liked it :c

03:12:150 (14) - You probably forgot to add a NC here :D q_q

03:18:750 - You really shouldn't ignore those beats, try adding a stream with a low DS here or 1/4 sliders. done

03:52:800 (10) - Same about the 1/8 I've mentioned before. done

04:17:850 (10) - What about a Ctrl + G to improve the flow? :D done

04:55:645 (1) - Using a gray 1/16 tick here would be better. Try listening at 25% and you'll see that 1/2 is really late. changed

04:56:814 (1) - Same here, but 1/4 is better than 1/16. timing and things like that is my worst. lol

05:02:250 (10,11,12,13) - Why slow spaced streams? You were using 0,9x before, try to do the same here, I couldn't notice any weak beats here for low DS :c I like to vary some things, but okay :3

05:55:800 - You should add a stacked circle here. Do anything but pleeeeeeeease don't ignore this beat ;_; GOMENE! Q_q

06:24:450 (1) - I don't recommend stacking this. Some players can miss this by clicking more than 17 times. It's nearly on the end and missing here would be really bad. Plus, the beat here is strong, stacking is really not a good idea. This was actually my intention. I'm such an evil prick. But I should change it. Made the last circle into a slider as well.

07:01:875 (4,5,6,7) - This is more spaced than 07:01:650 (1,2,3) - . Is it intentional? If it is, you can ignore this. Not intentional. It was a sliderstream before. I changed it, but must have picked the wrong DS.

07:36:450 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ~(^O^)~

07:39:450 (1,2,3) - Since the spacing between these sliders and 07:38:850 (1,2,3) - is really near, it can cause a sliderbreak confusing the players. I'd recommend increase the spacing a bit, or instead of sliders you can add streams. That's why i put a NC there. But i increased the spacing as you said, just to make sure

07:42:450 (13) - New combo here? c: done

07:49:050 - There is no beat here to follow, you should end the spinner here and delete 07:49:200 (1) - this note. But it's just a suggestion, you can keep it if you like. Changed it. Most people fall asleep at the last, long spinner anyways. One circle is easier to click than 2 :D

I like this map <3 I like you <3
Thanks for this amazing mod. Helped me improve the map a lot (: And i am glad you like it.
Jenny
I never said "exact same distance" - you should be aiming to have similar intensity on every reoccurance of a pattern, that's what I'm saying.

You can generate pressure through angles, different ways of utilizing sliders and their hitbox/leniency, note patterning (triangles are more individually pressured than a straight line of notes, for example, since you have strong angles between the notes everytime rather than having to focus on a steady motion) among other things; this, for example, plays entirely differently from this example, even though there's the same distance snap between the two sliders each time.



this is how they will actually be played


Since the player has no reason to actually complete 1 (as the map is continuing in the other direction) they will slip out of it early as to have more time to snap onto 2; you will notice this in just about any replay you watch, people do that. Effectively, this increases the timeframe the player has to hit 2 by about ~5-20% depending on the map in question (not even so much the OD) and decreases the distance travelled by about 0.7x DS in this example.

Also, the motion in this pattern is devided into three parts: the first curve (1), the snap between the sliders aswell as the second curve in the next slider (2) - things like these are to be considered when you want to deliver pressure and keep your map's level reasonably well-constructed.





Now the other example actually gives the player an incentive to complete the first slider (1) as it leads into the second one in one arcish motion - notice how the sliderpath is aligned with the angle towards 2, allowing the player to keep the same angle of motion between the objects, the only turning point being on top of 2 as it leads into the other direction afterwards.

In this case, the distance spacing is accurate, 4.45x as the editor says since you actually complete the slider, hence leave it at the same point that edit uses to calculate the distance.



There, that's one of the things I'm talking about :v
Topic Starter
DoKito

Jenny wrote:

I never said "exact same distance" - you should be aiming to have similar intensity on every reoccurance of a pattern, that's what I'm saying.

You can generate pressure through angles, different ways of utilizing sliders and their hitbox/leniency, note patterning (triangles are more individually pressured than a straight line of notes, for example, since you have strong angles between the notes everytime rather than having to focus on a steady motion) among other things; this, for example, plays entirely differently from this example, even though there's the same distance snap between the two sliders each time.



this is how they will actually be played


Since the player has no reason to actually complete 1 (as the map is continuing in the other direction) they will slip out of it early as to have more time to snap onto 2; you will notice this in just about any replay you watch, people do that. Effectively, this increases the timeframe the player has to hit 2 by about ~5-20% depending on the map in question (not even so much the OD) and decreases the distance travelled by about 0.7x DS in this example.

Also, the motion in this pattern is devided into three parts: the first curve (1), the snap between the sliders aswell as the second curve in the next slider (2) - things like these are to be considered when you want to deliver pressure and keep your map's level reasonably well-constructed.





Now the other example actually gives the player an incentive to complete the first slider (1) as it leads into the second one in one arcish motion - notice how the sliderpath is aligned with the angle towards 2, allowing the player to keep the same angle of motion between the objects, the only turning point being on top of 2 as it leads into the other direction afterwards.

In this case, the distance spacing is accurate, 4.45x as the editor says since you actually complete the slider, hence leave it at the same point that edit uses to calculate the distance.



There, that's one of the things I'm talking about :v
Thanks for that huge explanation. I like to keep things symmetrical, so i just ctrl + h/j many sliders/circles. That's why the gap is this "huge". But okay, i changed it now. If there is anything else you want to add, just go ahead. I was just confused by your talking about "having a fullscreen jump", since i nearly have no fullscreen jumps in this map and i do know that every jump needs its reason, but your examples and explanations make sense.
Thank you for the help.
Jenny
Thing is, things like these apply throughout the entire map so you'll have to consciously re-evaluate the entire thing on this, probably; I haven't looked through it, but chances are high you didn't take a lot of care when you weren't aware of it, which in itself is okay, you just need to revise it eventually.
Topic Starter
DoKito

Jenny wrote:

Thing is, things like these apply throughout the entire map so you'll have to consciously re-evaluate the entire thing on this, probably; I haven't looked through it, but chances are high you didn't take a lot of care when you weren't aware of it, which in itself is okay, you just need to revise it eventually.
As long as it's not crucial, I probably won't change it. I am aware of my spacing being a bit odd sometimes.
loopuleasa
Really great map for rhythm junkies out there. It feels like Red Like Roses I and II but with monster streams instead of monster jumps. Would definitely love to see this ranked, especially wanting to see the competition that will rise when this hits.

Everything seems really good and polished to me (up until the part I failed the death stream). Dragonforce deserve more love from mappers.

Best of luck!
ninfia
I don't want to judge this map too harshly considering that I personally know little about mapping. However I feel that a song with streams as intense as these, OD9 seems a little harsh. I would suggest using OD8, but in the end, that's up to you.

Other than that, this map is absolutely amazing. :D I wish you luck with getting this mapped!~
qwr
OD9 is more appropriate for streams of this BPM
-Aeryn-
Agree on the od9 possibly being too strict

I can't really play that BPM and spacing well enough to say which OD feels best for not slightly falling off timing/aim and then dropping the entire stream, but the OD to bpm ratio is quite different to fd4d which i play at 222bpm od8 and 180bpm od6.9 (OD proportional to bpm) which works alright. For a similar feel to FD4D you'd need od~7.5, and 9 is quite far away from that so i'm skeptical
ayiku

-Aeryn- wrote:

Agree on the od9 possibly being too strict

I can't really play that BPM and spacing well enough to say which OD feels best for not slightly falling off timing/aim and then dropping the entire stream, but the OD to bpm ratio is quite different to fd4d which i play at 222bpm od8 and 180bpm od6.9 (OD proportional to bpm) which works alright. For a similar feel to FD4D you'd need od~7.5, and 9 is quite far away from that so i'm skeptical
Opinion differs there. Some people say OD9 is a must and some say it is way too high.
-Aeryn-
OD is very important for the feel of the streams when you have such crazy spacing, it's very hard to say what's best
Novalogic
#For later modding

And concerning earlier discussion - requirements for ranked / approved maps are really silly sometimes, personally i liked every DoKo diff i played so far, and very much so.
Reviz
Just wanted to say THANK YOU for mapping Dragonforce in CS4 and AR>9. Although there's too much spaced streams and quick sliders for my liking, best of luck getting it ranked!
P o M u T a
[General]
  1. Remove Countdown better imo.
  2. Remove check Letterbox during breaks.
  3. .mp3 file is 128kps now. try Conversion 192kps.
  4. BG size is 1365x768 now. try Conversion 1366x768.
  5. add tag 'dokolp'? maybe many pepole search your old name.
  6. Try add tag 'Sonic Firestorm'. it's albam name.
[DoKo]
  1. 01:01:350 - it's red line... i don't need imo.. why use it?
  2. 02:31:350 - ^
  3. 07:21:450 (1,4) - try same position. seems good imo. (4) move (x:236 y:164)
  4. 07:31:200 (9,10,1) - (9,10) Ctrl+G. also, next (1) Ctrl+G. more fit song and fun imo.
too hard map for me, so i can't find almost haha.
good luck for rank!
Topic Starter
DoKito

P o M u T a wrote:

[General]
  1. Remove Countdown better imo.
  2. Remove check Letterbox during breaks.
  3. .mp3 file is 128kps now. try Conversion 192kps.
  4. BG size is 1365x768 now. try Conversion 1366x768.
  5. add tag 'dokolp'? maybe many pepole search your old name.
  6. Try add tag 'Sonic Firestorm'. it's albam name.
[DoKo]
  1. 01:01:350 - it's red line... i don't need imo.. why use it?
  2. 02:31:350 - ^
  3. 07:21:450 (1,4) - try same position. seems good imo. (4) move (x:236 y:164)
  4. 07:31:200 (9,10,1) - (9,10) Ctrl+G. also, next (1) Ctrl+G. more fit song and fun imo.
too hard map for me, so i can't find almost haha.
good luck for rank!
Thanks. Fixed everything. Going to change BG and mp3 later probably. (:
bakabaka
<3
phaZ
sry, mod in german :(
00:21:450 (6,1,6,1,6,1) - - finde das ds zu klein, ich empfinde es eher wie beim aller ersten mal. 00:23:850 (6,1,6,1) - sind so nah an der grenze für mein geschmack^^. am aller "schlimmsten" finde ich 00:25:950 (5,6,1). wie es jenny schon erklärt hat, spielen sich diese elemente überhaupt nicht jumpiger als davor
00:57:750 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - du sagtest zwar dass du das ds sehr stark nach deinem empfinden bestimmst aber hier macht es nicht wirklich sinn dass 00:57:750 (1,2,3,4,5) so dolle anderes ds von 00:58:200 (6,7,8,9,10,11,12) hat. wenn beide etwa gleich klein wären (oder von klein zu groß), würde das einfach einfach epischer sein :D
01:09:750 (4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - würde den slider rauslassen. wenn man die map spielt verkraftet man längeree streams weitaus leichter. außerdem hat er hier nicht die gleiche bedeutung wie 01:09:150 (2) ~ spielt sich ohne ihn besser imo
01:19:950 (9,10,11,12) - so wie
02:19:950 (7) - aus dem slider-tail in triplet machen?
02:39:750 (5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6) - hier würd ich wieder den slider weglassen
03:29:250 (2,3,4) - (4) fühlt sich für micha auch noch an wie (2,3) -> passt sowas (in der art^^) nicht besser http://puu.sh/gdmgL/ffa5778b77.jpg? wenn du die symmetrie behalten willst dann würde ich zumindest den mittleren slider auch an zweiter stelle von den dreien haben, aber naja.. passt wahrscheinlich eh nicht zu deinem mapping stil
03:35:100 (3,4,5,6,7) - lässt sich mM extrem schwer verglichen mit den wendungen vorher spielen
03:35:850 (13,14,15) - kommt mir auch doch eher überflüssig vor diese wendung
03:42:750 (8) - hab n eechtes problem mit dem flow hier. bei der figur vorher 03:38:850 (2,3,4,5,6,7) und nachher 03:43:950 (4,5,6,7,8) werden alle slider in etwa gleich gespacet gespielt. 03:41:550 (4,5,6,7,8) - hier werden 03:41:550 (4,5,6) nach jenny's ersten bild die slider jedoch kaum vollständig ausgespielt jedoch bei 03:42:450 (7,8,9) - ist das ds viel höher. ich habe aber eher erwartet, dass die wie in der figur vorher alle ähnlich zueinander gespielt werden. 03:42:750 (8) sollte daher etwas näher an (7) sein imo
05:53:775 (8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - wieder sehr schwer zu spielen imo^^
05:58:050 (1,2,3) - sollten die nicht so sein wie 05:59:250 (1,2,3,4) :?
06:04:800 (10,11,12,13,14,15) - diese wendung am anfang kommt mir wieder ein bisschen gegen den flow vor imo
06:15:150 (2,4) - wie wärs mit ctrl+g? dann ist die gesamte figur vom flow auch so änhnlich wie 06:16:050 (5,6,7,8)

so das soll auch reichen.
Topic Starter
DoKito

phaZ wrote:

sry, mod in german :(
00:21:450 (6,1,6,1,6,1) - - finde das ds zu klein, ich empfinde es eher wie beim aller ersten mal. 00:23:850 (6,1,6,1) - sind so nah an der grenze für mein geschmack^^. am aller "schlimmsten" finde ich 00:25:950 (5,6,1). wie es jenny schon erklärt hat, spielen sich diese elemente überhaupt nicht jumpiger als davor Hab' n paar verbessert.
00:57:750 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - du sagtest zwar dass du das ds sehr stark nach deinem empfinden bestimmst aber hier macht es nicht wirklich sinn dass 00:57:750 (1,2,3,4,5) so dolle anderes ds von 00:58:200 (6,7,8,9,10,11,12) hat. wenn beide etwa gleich klein wären (oder von klein zu groß), würde das einfach einfach epischer sein :D Ich weiss echt nicht was ihr alle mit variierenden Spacings habt. Es spielt sich nicht grottenschlecht und an sich mag ich es mehr, wenn man ein wenig Variation beim Movement hat.
01:09:750 (4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - würde den slider rauslassen. wenn man die map spielt verkraftet man längeree streams weitaus leichter. außerdem hat er hier nicht die gleiche bedeutung wie 01:09:150 (2) ~ spielt sich ohne ihn besser imo Der Slider hat schon seinen Sinn und Zweck^^
01:19:950 (9,10,11,12) - so wie
02:19:950 (7) - aus dem slider-tail in triplet machen? Einen Triplebeat hör' ich da jetzt nicht so wirklich raus, zumal ich davor auch nie Triplets in der Section habe
02:39:750 (5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6) - hier würd ich wieder den slider weglassen Okay. Hier hast du recht. Da passt er nicht wirklich
03:29:250 (2,3,4) - (4) fühlt sich für micha auch noch an wie (2,3) -> passt sowas (in der art^^) nicht besser http://puu.sh/gdmgL/ffa5778b77.jpg? wenn du die symmetrie behalten willst dann würde ich zumindest den mittleren slider auch an zweiter stelle von den dreien haben, aber naja.. passt wahrscheinlich eh nicht zu deinem mapping stil Hab es ein wenig verändert.
03:35:100 (3,4,5,6,7) - lässt sich mM extrem schwer verglichen mit den wendungen vorher spielen Das liegt nicht an den Wendungen. Ich hab' das Spacing einfach verkackt. Habe es um 0,1x verringert
03:35:850 (13,14,15) - kommt mir auch doch eher überflüssig vor diese wendung Entfernt
03:42:750 (8) - hab n eechtes problem mit dem flow hier. bei der figur vorher 03:38:850 (2,3,4,5,6,7) und nachher 03:43:950 (4,5,6,7,8) werden alle slider in etwa gleich gespacet gespielt. 03:41:550 (4,5,6,7,8) - hier werden 03:41:550 (4,5,6) nach jenny's ersten bild die slider jedoch kaum vollständig ausgespielt jedoch bei 03:42:450 (7,8,9) - ist das ds viel höher. ich habe aber eher erwartet, dass die wie in der figur vorher alle ähnlich zueinander gespielt werden. 03:42:750 (8) sollte daher etwas näher an (7) sein imo Okay. Habe das Spacing verringert und Strg+G benutzt
05:53:775 (8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - wieder sehr schwer zu spielen imo^^ Habe die Streams ein wenig verbessert
05:58:050 (1,2,3) - sollten die nicht so sein wie 05:59:250 (1,2,3,4) :? fixed
06:04:800 (10,11,12,13,14,15) - diese wendung am anfang kommt mir wieder ein bisschen gegen den flow vor imo fixed
06:15:150 (2,4) - wie wärs mit ctrl+g? dann ist die gesamte figur vom flow auch so änhnlich wie 06:16:050 (5,6,7,8) fixed

so das soll auch reichen.
Danke für den Mod (:
Krfawy
Hello DoKo, Krfawy here! :3

Whoever told you about me is going to get raped with my blonde nature if you don't tell me who it was. ;_;

  1. Well, I don't really think the accurate combo colours are matching the BG very well. Personally I advice something soft-toned, for example this.
  2. Where are hitsounds? Remember you have to HS the map, otherwise it's not possible to make it approved!
  3. 00:52:200 (3) - The beginning of this slider is so shaky... I doubt it is rankable nowadays. To be honest I don't know how you want to stress this riff here, but maybe you could try to make something more simple without so many curves and direction changes.
  4. 00:53:400 (8) - Can you improve this blanket, please?
  5. 00:54:150 (11) - Well, maybe it's not as unrankable as the previous slider, but try to place the red points a bit closer so it's not wubbling that much. Maybe use something similar like 04:25:491 (11) - this?
  6. 01:24:000 (5,6,7) - Is there a possibility to make it 1/2 instead of 3/4 sliders? Now it doesn't sound well, I believe the better way would be to make it 1/2 as in the previous moments because now it seems to be a bit sloppy. Or if possible, to make 1/2 sliders and circles between note gap. What do you think about it?
  7. 01:36:600 (10) - Again the same thing, but this time only to this one slider.
  8. 02:01:050 (7,8,9,10) - could you stack it properly due 02:00:450 (5) - this slider? You know, blanket thing is a nazi thing, but design is an important thing nowadays.
  9. 02:54:000 (5,6) - I think you know why I've pointed this moment. The same goes to 03:06:600 (10,11) - this.
  10. 03:27:000 (2) - Blanket it, please. ;_;
  11. 03:52:800 (10) - This one too.
  12. 04:23:020 (9) - Well, I am wondering if you could straighten the slider a little bit so it's less curvy, for example like this. Now it's quite 808 and someone probably will point it out, so I'm doing it now.
  13. 04:58:650 (3) - Well, the spacing which starts from here is insanely huge... Streams like that for that long... I am just not into this kind of thing if it lasts too long.
  14. 05:02:550 (14) - Again, the slider form is quite unrankable I believe (because of too much wubbly structure).
  15. 05:07:050 (13) - Blanket Terrora.
  16. 05:09:300 (9) - Again unrankable thing I think.
  17. 05:26:850 (1) - Those streams part 2... Are you sure you want to keep such construction? I don't think BNs and QATs will be willing on thing like this, it's not 2012.
  18. 05:31:350 (13) - Dat wubbling slider! Again I recommend to copy or make something similar like 04:25:491 (11) - this to avoid too much dangerous red points in the sliders.
I think that's all here. Sorry if my mod isn't helpful at all, but I don't feel that I'm able to help here. This kind of diffs is not my cup of tea. :<

Good luck!
Topic Starter
DoKito

Krfawy wrote:

Hello DoKo, Krfawy here! :3

Whoever told you about me is going to get raped with my blonde nature if you don't tell me who it was. ;_;

  1. Well, I don't really think the accurate combo colours are matching the BG very well. Personally I advice something soft-toned, for example this. I trust you cause you are a gril. <3
  2. Where are hitsounds? Remember you have to HS the map, otherwise it's not possible to make it approved! Mao will do them (probably soon)
  3. 00:52:200 (3) - The beginning of this slider is so shaky... I doubt it is rankable nowadays. To be honest I don't know how you want to stress this riff here, but maybe you could try to make something more simple without so many curves and direction changes. Stopit renkink kritterriah. Fixed
  4. 00:53:400 (8) - Can you improve this blanket, please? Done
  5. 00:54:150 (11) - Well, maybe it's not as unrankable as the previous slider, but try to place the red points a bit closer so it's not wubbling that much. Maybe use something similar like 04:25:491 (11) - this? I hate that rule so much. It is so difficult to make unique sliders and especially sliders, which fit to such kind of sounds. :c STOPIT RENK KRITÄRIEAH!
  6. 01:24:000 (5,6,7) - Is there a possibility to make it 1/2 instead of 3/4 sliders? Now it doesn't sound well, I believe the better way would be to make it 1/2 as in the previous moments because now it seems to be a bit sloppy. Or if possible, to make 1/2 sliders and circles between note gap. What do you think about it? Tried many different things there... without success. I think it is good as it is, even though this part bothers me a lot, but i just can't find a better solution D:
  7. 01:36:600 (10) - Again the same thing, but this time only to this one slider. ^
  8. 02:01:050 (7,8,9,10) - could you stack it properly due 02:00:450 (5) - this slider? You know, blanket thing is a nazi thing, but design is an important thing nowadays. done
  9. 02:54:000 (5,6) - I think you know why I've pointed this moment. The same goes to 03:06:600 (10,11) - this. :C
  10. 03:27:000 (2) - Blanket it, please. ;_; done
  11. 03:52:800 (10) - This one too. You are more nazi than i am... ...I like that.
  12. 04:23:020 (9) - Well, I am wondering if you could straighten the slider a little bit so it's less curvy, for example like this. Now it's quite 808 and someone probably will point it out, so I'm doing it now. I don't know why, but okay o:
  13. 04:58:650 (3) - Well, the spacing which starts from here is insanely huge... Streams like that for that long... I am just not into this kind of thing if it lasts too long. I love them. I already fced them with barely no 100s, so they are playable. The guitar solo is intense and i love spaced streams (but i know most of the ppl around here do not).
  14. 05:02:550 (14) - Again, the slider form is quite unrankable I believe (because of too much wubbly structure). Made it less wubbly... faggin renking kretarria.
  15. 05:07:050 (13) - Blanket Terrora. done.
  16. 05:09:300 (9) - Again unrankable thing I think. Again stohpit rengar corneria
  17. 05:26:850 (1) - Those streams part 2... Are you sure you want to keep such construction? I don't think BNs and QATs will be willing on thing like this, it's not 2012. If i have to remove these perfectly fine streams because of BNs or QATs i won't aim for approval anymore. They are quite difficult, but that's the intenion behind them. They are nothing impossible on the first playthrough, they just need to be played by someone with great movement. So if someone really insists on not ranking the map because of these streams, then i will lose faith in humanity (probably only in the stopit renking crittärriah and the people, who changed them).
  18. 05:31:350 (13) - Dat wubbling slider! Again I recommend to copy or make something similar like 04:25:491 (11) - this to avoid too much dangerous red points in the sliders. less wubble
I think that's all here. Sorry if my mod isn't helpful at all, but I don't feel that I'm able to help here. This kind of diffs is not my cup of tea. :<

Good luck!
Thank you for this great mod (:
Winnie
One thing to say the 7 star map on this is a bit overwhelming, most of the DragonForce maps are at measily 6 stars and that is reasonable, the way you have streams makes it difficult to play out and maintain a combo, I suggest slighting changing the DS of the streams to be a little bit shorter and making the jumps a progressive difficulty, as in it gets harder than not start off difficult in the beginning and throughout the whole thing since it's too hard. It even beats this map that just came out https://osu.ppy.sh/b/633507 and it's hard. But the only thing with that map is it's massive jumps. Just make your map not so difficult so its playable as a marathon and somewhat of a challenge for the players. If it's difficult throughout the whole map not many people will enjoy it since your limiting yourself to how much people can play the song :( If you do make the changes I suggested then call me back here and I can thoroughly mod it.
Topic Starter
DoKito

Kocari wrote:

One thing to say the 7 star map on this is a bit overwhelming, most of the DragonForce maps are at measily 6 stars and that is reasonable, the way you have streams makes it difficult to play out and maintain a combo, I suggest slighting changing the DS of the streams to be a little bit shorter and making the jumps a progressive difficulty, as in it gets harder than not start off difficult in the beginning and throughout the whole thing since it's too hard. It even beats this map that just came out https://osu.ppy.sh/b/633507 and it's hard. But the only thing with that map is it's massive jumps. Just make your map not so difficult so its playable as a marathon and somewhat of a challenge for the players. If it's difficult throughout the whole map not many people will enjoy it since your limiting yourself to how much people can play the song :( If you do make the changes I suggested then call me back here and I can thoroughly mod it.
I am SO sorry. I will carry on the tradition, remove everything and remap it as a AR8CS5 map. Most of the DragonForce maps are like that, so i guess everything else isn't acceptable.
Thanks for your wise opinion, senpai, but i gladly decline. I have my own mapping style and i won't remap anything just because "most DF maps are mapped like that". If you don't like the map/aren't good enough to play it, then just ignore this map and stick to other maps. There are plenty of people, who enjoy playing this map and i like mapping stuff, which is challenging. Where would be the fun, if everyone can FC your map first try?
When you are able to mod well and competently, i would appreciate your mod, but for now i don't think you would be any help for improving this map.
Have a nice day. o/

E: Okay sorry i was answering kind of aggressively... But so many people are telling me to stick to "the old DF-style", that it just pisses me off sometimes.
CXu
Not really a mod but kinda is anyway. idk, you asked me to post. Anyhow just looking through the map.

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  1. You probably haven't hitsounded yet but you should do that.
  2. 00:21:450 (6,1) - Feels a bit close. Same with 00:22:650 (6,1) - . Reason is probably because you jump at 00:20:250 (6,1) - , and these sections being very similar to each other. 00:23:850 (6,1) - is better, since there's still a slight jump, it's only when the DS don't change at all that I feel it's kinda off.
  3. 00:35:400 (3,4,5) - Slightly awkward flow. Not really a big deal, but the flow has mostly been circular at this point.
  4. 00:56:550 (8,9,10) - Try slider-note-slider-note? Since the guitar is on 00:57:150 -
  5. 00:58:050 (5) - Slightly curve this towards the next stream?
  6. 01:04:350 (7,8,9,10,11) - It's kinda weird to have these jumps when the previous notes are really close to each other, and with no particular increase in intensity in the song.
  7. 01:20:550 - fuck you <3
  8. 01:24:000 (5,6,7) - Just in reply to another mod, you could try to make 1/2 sliders with the sliders being sped up a bit or something, though they're probably fine as-is, as long as you lower the volume of the ends.
  9. 01:28:200 (2,3,4) - Move this pattern down a bit? Unless you intentionally wanted to make (1,2) overlap, which is kinda silly.
  10. 01:29:250 (9,1) - You should make these lead into each other more: http://puu.sh/ggHJm.jpg
  11. 01:30:150 (9,1) - Should probably swap NC.
  12. 01:40:050 (2,3,4) - Feel too close since you have higher spacing earlier :p
  13. 01:53:850 (11) - I actually think this works better as two notes, since you have two drumhits on it.
  14. 01:58:650 (5,6,7,8) - Change these to 2 1/4 sliders? You'll be clicking on the drumthingies.
  15. 02:16:650 (6) - Looks like it's the same spacing between (5,6) and (6,7). Consider moving the (7) further away or something.
  16. 02:18:000 (7,1) - Make 1 1/1 slider to be consistent with the same slider later.
  17. 02:26:250 (6) - Not sure why you made a 1/4 slider instead of a note here, since you use a note at 02:16:650
  18. 02:31:350 - 03:16:950 - Copy-paste and flipped is lame :( Well, you changed a few things, but overall you can still see that it's a copy-paste. You should like, rearrange stuff more. Anyhow, whatever I said earlier probably apply here.
  19. 03:18:750 (2) - Intentionally no NC?
  20. You did a better job rearranging the kiai, though you can still tell, which sucks :(
  21. 03:45:900 (1,2,3) - Dunno that looks kinda ugly.
  22. 03:47:700 (5,6) - ctrl+g?
  23. 03:49:950 (8) - People might yell at you for that.
  24. 04:04:650 (7,1) - and 04:08:250 (6,1) - Same as the beginning.
  25. 04:23:726 (3,4) - Again just feels a bit too close.
  26. 05:24:750 (3,4) - http://puu.sh/ggJT9.jpg works better imo though the whole thing is just kinda weird.
  27. 05:26:850 - haha fuck you more.
  28. 05:28:950 (13,1) - I actually think moving (13) away from (1) so you get a jump into the next stream would be more interesting. + It feels nice for "restarting" the streams/guitar solo. Same for the other sliders in this section.
  29. 05:36:450 (2,3,4,5) - 3 Sliders following the guitar works better here imo: http://puu.sh/ggK5i.jpg
  30. 05:48:150 (13,1) - Same as before etc.
  31. 05:55:800 (2) - Delete note? I think it's pretty interesting to have a stop like this, and it follows the guitar better.
  32. 06:00:450 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - Nothing wrong with this, but I think http://puu.sh/ggKoj.jpg is a better rhythm, where you stack notes (1,2), (4,5), (8,9) and (10,11).
  33. 06:07:950 (5,6) - Make a slightly bigger gap here? as well as a gap between 06:08:550 (10,1) -
  34. 06:19:650 - Dunno about these velocity changers (this 1.6 and the previous and next 1.4) I guess you're trying to follow the "oh-oh-oh" thing going higher in pitch? Anyhow, some of the sliders feel too close during the 1.6 section compared to the sliderspeed.
  35. 06:24:600 (2,3,4,5,6) - Straight lines are awkward ;;
  36. 06:32:100 (16) - Make the first part of this slider smoother? So you don't get this ugly thing: http://puu.sh/ggKWa.jpg
  37. 06:53:100 (12) - Move to 376;32 or somewhere along those lines? For a bigger jump into the repeat slider after it :P
  38. 07:17:250 - Nothing wrong with the mapping itself, but this section just feels way too tame compared to all the stuff you had to go through to get here. It's the end of the map, so it just kinda awkward. The guitar is also similar to 00:40:950 - at the beginning (not identical but still), and I think it would fit better if you made this part similar in difficulty as that part.
  39. 07:36:900 (2,2,2,2) - You'll have to move the pattern more to the right for this, but it'd be cool if you placed the (2)'s a further away for every repeat, so you get a nice jump on the last one.
  40. 07:49:500 (1) - Make it a slider that ends at 07:50:550 - ? With some wiggles and squiggles and stuff.
Also OD is fine. Lower OD makes it easier to note-lock and you rip.
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