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What is everyone talking about when they mention Mouse acceleration? Didn't even know osu had it, can't find it anywhere under options?
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mouse acceleration is overrated, doesn't affect gameplay that much because both require muscle memory.
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Tool_Shed wrote:
What is everyone talking about when they mention Mouse acceleration? Didn't even know osu had it, can't find it anywhere under options?


Mouse acceleration is not found in the Osu! options. It is a function included in your operating system. On a Windows machine it is in the mouse options menu. It is called Enhanced Pointer Precision. Disable this at all costs. It is imperative to your muscle memory that you not use EPP.

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mouse acceleration is overrated, doesn't affect gameplay that much because both require muscle memory.


If you truly believe that Enhance Pointer Precision acceleration does not effect gameplay, then you are simply wrong. There is 100% no experienced mouse user of any game who will use this form of acceleration. Some pros in some older FPS games used to occassionally use third party drivers to add very minor acceleration to their mouse movements, but it was only a fraction of the acceleration added by EPP. If what you truly meant is that mouse pixel skipping, such as the 1/11 slide in mouse pointer options is over rated, then you may be somewhat correct. That form of acceleration is not as crucially damaging to muscle memory as EPP is. It will only make the movement of the mouse less uniform on a very small level. However, it is generally agreed that going above 6 is detrimental, and it is widely believed that going below 6 is detrimental as well. The safest and most accepted and supported position is to leave it at 6. I won't go into a technical discussion of the reasons.

Bottom line: Do not use Enhanced Pointer Precision. Take caution when using any setting above or below 6 in pointer options. When adjusting mouse speed or sensitivity, always use the mouse's own DPI adjustment software that will be included in a third party program for that specific gaming mouse.
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Simply un-checking the "Enhance Pointer Precision" box in your mouse settings does not completely remove mouse acceleration. If you want exactly a 1-to-1 mouse to pointer response your going to have to edit a registry in most cases.
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Hi~ I'm new to osu! (been playing for almost 3 months) and I was just wondering: how long did it take everyone to switch from playing easy/normal/hard to insane? Did you skip the easier difficulties and head straight for the harder ones? I skipped right to insane the first week I joined. I couldn't pass insane songs for a while, so I constantly played songs far too hard for me with No Fail. Now however, I can play moderately fast insane songs and get around 90-95% on my first try without using any mods (on faster insanes I get about 80-87% first try typically). I have played a little over 10k times. Is this where I should be by now? Am I behind? Any feedback welcome.


Oh my gosh, yes, I RARELY play Easy / Normal songs unless:

1) They're the only difficulties available.
2) I'm aiming for an SS.

When I first started, I went straight for the Hard songs and always had No Fail on. After a lot of on and off osu! playing, I'm finally at the level I am right now. :3 I am pretty much like you; I can play moderately fast insane songs on my first try without mods, but I'm still working on the extremely fast insane songs. I have a little over 4k plays though, so I've got a long way to go with them fast songs. :c
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[AirCoN] wrote:
mouse acceleration is overrated, doesn't affect gameplay that much because both require muscle memory.


Mouse acceleration is detrimental in majority of cases although in some contexts it is utilised, for osu! it's definitely wise to disable. Acceleration adds an extra dimension to muscle memory, that being the adjustment of speed / distance thus making it far more complex to develop. It's not impossible nor unachievable, rather it's extremely difficult to be effective with.

It's also good to note that osu! doesn't have a character movement aspect, where you aren't able to turn or adjust your movement and direction to a target, it's completely reliant on your cursor.
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Actually Enchance Pointer Precision is less of acceleration and more of prediction, just like that additional option in osu!'s mouse sensitivity.

Unless coupled with a driver of its own, usually regular mice have mouse acceleration whether you like it or not. I played with mouse acceleration for a few months before switching it off, and that was when I was getting rather good with insanes. It took a while to get used to, but in the end I was able to do larger, more controlled jumps than before.

On topic: I was barely passing them in my first month, starting going apeshit on the second, and finally cleared them no problem in the third. Of course the standard during those times were drastically different from the standards today.
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Sup A Noob wrote:
Actually Enchance Pointer Precision is less of acceleration and more of prediction, just like that additional option in osu!'s mouse sensitivity.


Osu!'s mouse sensitivity option is a correction of the formula used to calculate mouse movement. It simply calculates the movement more accurately where the old formula apparently rounded some values, as stated by Peppy. They are not related in any way.
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yea, i guess one of the reasons I use mouse acceleration is cause I have the most basic optical mouse.

but still, i can do insane jumps fine with acceleration, like 7x7x7 jumps or airman(to an extent)

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though if you think about it theoretically, mouse acceleration wouldn't be much different from non-mouse acceleration, since they both require different movements.

if the acceleration is constant, then just by getting used to it, your muscle memory will still work, cause it's the same movements every time
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[AirCoN] wrote:
yea, i guess one of the reasons I use mouse acceleration is cause I have the most basic optical mouse.

but still, i can do insane jumps fine with acceleration, like 7x7x7 jumps or airman(to an extent)

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though if you think about it theoretically, mouse acceleration wouldn't be much different from non-mouse acceleration, since they both require different movements.

if the acceleration is constant, then just by getting used to it, your muscle memory will still work, cause it's the same movements every time


That's just the thing. The acceleration with EPP is not constant. The acceleration changes with the speed that you move your hand. If you move your hand faster, then the cursor goes further, and vice versa. This is hell for your muscles. They have to learn not only how far they have to move, but also how fast they have to move. Imagine if you had a stick, and you were pointing at places on a blackboard. It's not hard to learn how far to move your arm to get the stick to hit one sport or another. Now imagine that that stick were made of extremely elastic rubber... It would bounce around further when you moved your arm quickly, and when you moved slowly it'd bounce closer. It'd be very hard to control it well enough to get it to hit exactly the point that you want to hit. This is why pointing devices are never elastic. XD

If you mean 1/11 acceleration, then that's constant except for on uneven settings, or so I understand it. Basically, if you set it to 7, then you get times where the software has to round off a .5 result, which results in your movement jumping a pixel. If you set it to 8, then I think it simply drops a whole pixel on every movement. This obviously means that you can't hit certain pixels, because they get dropped, but it is a uniform drop, and probably won't hurt critically like EPP does.
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From my experience, when I began Osu using my mouse, I barely could've passed insanes with Mouse acceleration on. Once my friend told me to take it off, I started doing insanes like they were Hards ._.

Though, that was because I used a cheap normal mouse that came with my pc. When I told my friend who has a pro gaming mouse to check it off. He said it dosen't help, and fucks him up or something like that. So I think Mouse acceleration only works for people with normal mouses.

edit; oh and btw, I havent used my mouse in 6 months, but when i play with it to have fun..I can also do Lunatic AR9 maps with a few misses...so I'm just saying..you need to get a bunch or some experience before you start passing insane songs. It really dosen't matter what device you use, just how much time you spend with it, and the experience you gain from playing the game.
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I like how time taken to pass Insanes can get completely derailed into something like mouse. The bottomline for mouse users is, turn off whatever pointer prediction your system has for the mouse (not acceleration).

Now, back to topic.

I've answered my part, so here's a tip. If you want to pass Insanes in the shortest amount of time possible, spent as much time possible on as many harder-than-your-current-skill-level maps as possible while taking that time to experiment on different playstyles and gaming philosophies. Once you get that drilled and secured in your head you should be in good stead to pass Insanes just for the fun of it.
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it usually takes me about 2-3 minutes to pass an insane song
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