I think you are wayy overthinking this, Echo was killed because the Cop is much more of a threat to the mafia then the doctor is

Ugh, 3 townies, 2 mafia.. it all comes down to today.

So we have Wojjan, Derekku, SFG, me, and strager (who I think we can all agree is clean)

SFG has seemed the least suspicious to me out of all of them, but what bugs me is that neither Wojjan or Derekku were a part of the original vote against strager, while SFG was. So I honestly have no idea what to think right now..

forgive me if im wrong but i *think* today is LyLo - 5 alive and 2 are mafia. if we lynch a human today + NK the mafia have a majority and win automatically.

THINK EXTRA CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU DO THINGS!

i know im hardly one to speak since my last post kinda ><;;;; geez im sorry adam....but that doesnt mean the rule doesnt apply, just that it applies a lot more!

as strager pointed out, we can assume that since Echo died (T_T nooooo...Echo...!) the mafia have a roleblocker, and since strager is out in the open we can assume that none of his protections will be successful from now on. And now that we have no cop, theres not likely to be much assistance in figuring out who's who except that strager is definitely innocent.

that said the most suspicious person out of the remaining is Derekku (italicized so its not a vote :<) We have a week though so dont be hasty. i will be posting those ginormous compilation posts for *each remaining player except for myself and strager* (someone else can do me but i shouldnt imo since 1. i know im innocent and 2. im biased) However atm my internet only works if im sitting on top of my router so i might not get to it for a couple days + less active than normal. Just thought id give a heads-up on that.


thnx, bai for now~
-SFG-

whatever it is you're seeing i missed it. that might be cus its kinda really early in the morning and i need sleep though.

please spell out in nice baby words for me?

@strager: I assume you're talking about this post


I believed that Echo was cop, and he was. He voted for adam just like I had, but he really had no reason to other than possibly a random vote since he wasn't going to be around. The reason I voted for adam was because:

1) he hadn't been talking much
2) he wasn't giving any good reasoning for his votes
3) to make him talk

I don't see how I'm betraying anyone o_o

I'm all for Derekku and SFG being Mafia. I'm trying to find concrete evidence, but I fail for now. Yet I'm keeping all odds open till some proof hits the fan.

Derekku summary. im kinda tired and feel sick atm so im skipping the summaries on short/unimportant posts

"gg role claiming strager
But yeah, since doctor is an important role, I can see why one would claim it to try and protect themself from getting lynched.
But since you can't protect yourself (like guardian angel in WWG), you might end up a target for a night kill.
Poor strager =("


"0_o wrote:
I vote adam because his avatar simply screams IM A KILLER

Not the best reason xd"


"Anyway, strager: Your role claim can go different ways:

1) You are lying about your aux role and are either:
a) Mafia: So it doesn't even matter that you're role claiming since you can't night kill yourself, but you may get lynched during the day.
b) Townie: Very stupid thing to do.

2) You really are the doctor and:
a) We may not lynch you because the doctor is a valuable asset for the town.
b) Your early role claim is very suspicious which may cause us to lynch you.
c) Mafia will lynch you so you can't help the town. (Unless you are mafia)


So, yeah. Role claiming was pretty stupid. If you're truthful that it was an accident, then it really sucks to be you. Like I said before, I acted stupid and got lynched on day 1 in NM1, so it happens." basic attack on strager's roleclaim


"strager wrote:
This could be a crazy tactic used by kuu. He's acting so strange that he must be a Mafia. But then again, why would a Mafia attract so much attention to himself?

Kuu is just fucking stupid. xd I'm really not sure what to make of him at the moment. I don't he's witty enough to use a tactic like the one you wrote about."


"derekku chan wrote:
c) Mafia will lynch you so you can't help the town. (Unless you are mafia)

Or night kill. I think I meant both. Doesn't matter."


"Time to give my suspicion list :3

Echo is being über aggressive, but you've been that way in all the games so that doesn't really say anything. :>

bagelbob is just acting retarded.

0_o voted adam off the bat for no fucking reason, then changed to kuu with no reason, and then to nardi for no reason. This is *very* suspicious to me.

olinad hasn't said much.

adam jumped in and voted for strager for voting for echo. inb4longertrainofvotes

SFG just joined in, so I'm not sure what to make of her, yet. But she was awful quick to vote...

nardi hasn't said much.

strager is mildly suspicious to me, but I still have doubts. He is a newbie to this game and could just be making mistakes. Or he knows what he's doing. Or he's mafia... hmm... Also, he voted Echo off the bat with no reasoning or discussion. wtf" aka summary of half of Day 1


"I'm really sick of all this shit flying back and forth. To sum up how I feel without having to type a 20-page essay, Echo needs to stop being so fucking aggresive. strager has never even played before, and you're throwing every fucking thing in the book at him. We're human. We make mistakes. We slip up. It doesn't mean that strager is the bad guy, and the way that you keep pushing shit at him is really making you look the most suspicious in my book.

I'm finally throwing my vote down.

Vote. Echo.

*goes to lay down because his back is killing him*derek gets pissed at strager/echo debate


"Sorry to upset you, but I think that sometimes you just go a little over the top. Like LadySuburu said, this is a game. You're a good player, but maybe you should tone it down just a teeny bit. :/

To me, talking too much is similar to not talking much at all. It makes you look suspicious for getting on everyone's case. :/

And no, I don't expect the mafia to jump up and bite me in the face, but I don't even know what to say anymore. I'm sorry, okay? " apology


"I made a mistake.

I am enjoying the game.

Again, sorry for saying that to you. I was comparing you to everyone else for the wrong reason.

I'll go back through the thread tomorrow and look at everyone's points again." more apology


"Ugh. I kept getting distracted by other things. >_<

But for now, I at least want to do this. (forgot to yesterday)

Unvote Echo."


"strager wrote:
What bangwagon? ;P

By the time nardi voted for you, strager, two other people had voted for you. He seemed to only vote for you because you were the "most suspicious", which isn't a good reason imo.

strager wrote:
No one's random vote was explicitly denoted as a random vote by the voter, either.

I meant in the case that nardi's vote WAS a random vote, which I don't think it was, but I wanted to cover that ground "mild attack on strager


"On the bandwagon against strager? I've already stated many times that I believe strager isn't mafia. :/

If you meant the bandwagon that thinks strager is innocent, then yes, I'm on it, but so is like of us. >_>

So I really don't get what you meant."


"strager, are you NOT fucking listening? There's no point in coding over 9000 lines of code. No lynch day 1 = Free kill for mafia.

Should we also NOT lynch day 2? Day 3?

Like SFG said, I'm starting to wonder about you, strager "


"strager, you don't seem to realize that in every setup for this game, there are TWO mafia. Unless you think that one of them is going to kill the other at night, then I don't know what the hell you're trying to get at."


"0_o wrote:
That, and throwing someone on L-2 is a pretty effective way of getting them to speak up

nardi is on L-1 ;/"


"Echo wrote:
You're refusing to defend yourself against my evidence, and you're refusing to bring any evidence against me, yet you claim you are townie and I am mafia?

I think the simple answer is that there is no evidence you can use to defend yourself, and there is no evidence you can bring against me. Which means you are mafia, and I am townie.

Echo brings up good points. :/

Vot- Nah.

FOS: strager (because it wasn't already obvious </sarcasm>)"


"Because nardi hasn't defended himself either. He was at L-1 and still hadn't posted. He may just be a townie that does't give a crap about the game, though. =/

But as one of you said: If a townie gets lynched that didn't contribute in the first place, it wouldn't even be a loss. :<"





"I said that because I was sick of the arguing back and forth. Now I see that I shouldn't have posted that and I was just raging that night because I wasn't feeling good. Like I said earlier, I'm not "buddy buddy" with strager. I'm very suspicious of him just like most of us are."


"In this post, I said that I wasn't suspicious of adam. I said that because he hasn't said a whole lot, but now that I think about it, that only makes him MORE suspicious. He has hardly backed up any of his claims at all. What started off as a random vote against strager quickly turned into some sort of plan. Every time he has voted for strager, he's acted like strager is just another person instead of scum. If adam is mafia, then this fits. His goal is to eliminate all townies, which makes strager one too (save his possible aux role). I've hardly seen anything useful from adam's posts. 0_o, Echo, SFG, strager, and myself all defend our accusations on others and accusations against ourselves.

So: Vote adam"



"strager wrote:
I see how far that reasoning went with nardi.

nardi barely posted at all. But I meant: Whenever adam posts, it's nothing useful.

strager wrote:
I guess that is true. If I recall his reasoning for voting for me yesterday was because I was suspicious and Echo had a convincing argument.

Exactly. adam keeps saying over and over that you're "suspicious", but hasn't backed it up with anything of his own. At least Echo had arguments.

strager wrote:
I still don't see how this makes adam a Mafia. Can you try explaining in a different way?

What I said above in this post =)"justifying vote on adam


"I would say how suspicious it is that you guys turned around at the drop of a hat to believe that Echo is the cop, but I think I believe him too. :<"





you're gonna have to read them yourselves to figure out what you think. doing Wojjan/Olinad next, in a different post

Olinad/Wojjan post


"...yep, I'm in a different time zone That's why I still hadn't written anything.

Anyway, I'll wait a bit more before voting as usual... right now I'd vote for Kuu just because he's so pissing me off with all those messages... -.-' But I dunno if it's a good idea for the game."


"GMT +1, and I'm still going to school every morning til saturday... so I won't be here so much!"


"OMG I think I lost track of the voting situation -.-' May anyone post the list of the votes made up to now? I read the discussion but I don't want to make a vote without knowing the situation"


"thx, brb" note: he returned almost exactly 3hrs later





"How much time do I have left? XD"


"Saturos-fangirl wrote:
<strager|irc> LS is in TX?
<strager|irc> and so is BagelBob?
<strager|irc> </guesses>
<BagelBob> so?
<BagelBob> If Olinad posts 5 min before the deadline, he's a dead-man
<SFG|Rh> ^
<SFG|Rh> oh i should post that
<BagelBob> I think that it's generally understood


Well, I want to say sorry for my absence - I had an important exam yesterday and so I was pretty busy. I managed to read something about the discussion but I'm still kinda confused, so I guess I won't vote today not to make mistakes I could regret having done"


"Yes I'll try to " try to be more active - see how well THAT one worked -_-


--Day 2--











"Okay, I'm gonna think WIFOM mode for a while.
What if strager isn't innocent, and is actually in the Mafia with Echo, which is why he wants us to change votes to adam?
I can't see why we should all believe you on the double.
If, of course, strager really is the doctor, and hence protecting Echo, strager will likely die tonight.
Also, you're forgetting that if we have a cop AND doctor, we're dealing with a possible roleblocker, who can stop strager in his protection.

I'm gonna refrain from voting this day, since I can't make an actually certain vote." note: this was AFTER adam had reached L


"I'm all for Derekku and SFG being Mafia. I'm trying to find concrete evidence, but I fail for now. Yet I'm keeping all odds open till some proof hits the fan."


ok i just noticed that neither Olinad nor Wojjan ever made a well-informed vote. For that matter, the substitution happened late enough that now that we need to hit mafia every day to win, we have almost nothing to go on to determine if he is indeed mafia, and just pro at lurking, or if he is town and just didnt make time for the game. So basically we can't afford to guess his role wrong and we don't have any evidence to point us in either direction.

read again. THEY NEVER HAD AN END-OF-DAY VOTE, THE ONLY VOTE EITHER OF THEM MADE WAS PRACTICALLY RANDOM





The general idea is to get some indication of who the other is by the end of the day in addition to (hopefully) lynching a mafia.


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sounds like a FOS on Wojjan from you there. im still withholding judgment until ive done a thorough analysis of all parties except strager. anyways im behind on shit cus WW3 and i need to eat lunch + exam tomorrow.