ban

fix'd

Ask to the comunity (people who know him) if they are really nice guys and deserve a second chance. But for totally shameless guys must be a permanent BAN.

I can't see the problem with that.

"Hey, this friend of mine can prove I didn't really cheat!

Yes! I know him in real life, he's no cheater! His skill is amazing!

Oh okay, just because he said so

*hacks again*

Didn't you tell me he wasn't a cheater?

He told me to say that to you, I'm sorry peppy ;~;"

peppy can't make decisions based on testimonies like that, I say. In the case he is/was a cool guy to have around (imagine a BAT was banned for cheating), the permaban should still apply; the punishment shouldn't get softer for anyone in particular.

Two things

1) Friends will generally support their friends. They could be a huge cheater, and they'll know it, but they'll go "omg he was nice" just to get their buddy back
2) This make bans follow the Lunah/Mara/Gladi/Whoever Else clause, which means "Hey, I can do anything that I want to, because I'm popular and my fanbase will give the site hell if I'm banned"

Pretty much, cheaters should be banned. Maybe not perma-banned, but at least banned for a long period of time. None of this "oh people won't shut up about him so let's not ban him." crap. That's what pisses me off every time someone popular gets banned here. They do some stupid crap and everybody sees them as a god because they were so popular, even if an unpopular person did the exact same thing. There's so much damned leniency that it just makes the entire mod team lose its authority.

I don't generally criticize people this forwardly, maybe it's because I'm in the worst of moods today, but gaah, seriously, if you really feel the need to cheat after making yourself an established member of the community, then there's consequences. Nixon didn't get his ass popular'd into office after Watergate and stuff. Nobody went "Oh, he's a nice guy, he's done so much for the country! Let's give him a second chance!"

For every action, there's a consequence. I've been banned from so many places, and I know that if I'm doing stupid stuff, then I'll get a punishment. Hell, within the year, I'll probably get banned from here. But I won't be pissed about it, as long as I know why I was banned, because I'll know that I'm just getting the consequence that comes with doing a misdemeanor. I don't have the popular support crap behind me, because most of the people in power pretty much hate me and aren't afraid to admit it, so maybe I'm "biased" in a sense. But I was great friends with a lot of people who got banned. I wasn't mad, or angered, because I knew that, I apologize for the cliche, if you can't pay the time, then don't do the crime.

I didn't even read what the thread was about, so I may look completely stupid right now.

So yeah, although I'm not like "PERMA-BAN ALL THE MEMBERS", because I know that people do turn around, and people sometimes make misguided mistakes, there should still be some sort of punishment that is more then just a few days, especially for popular people that get banned. If you're going to ban them for a year, then they should be banned for a year. I've had year-long bans before, and you know what I did? I took it like a man. I joined some other places and waited until my ban was over, then improved myself to not be such a dumbass next time.

.-.

i'd say the 3rd option. the risk of banning doesn't seem to be stopping the numbers. neither does giving second chances. the 3rd seems ok though since it lets them play, but removes the need to cheat in the first place

HD+FL on taiko with a dual screen makes me weep so much... Yet it's not cheating, I'd rather we fix this thing as well D:
2nd chance or permaban ftw